Smallc Posted July 31, 2015 Report Posted July 31, 2015 The Tories scheme of of getting votes through money to parent is finally being open to just that , a scheme for votes because many parents are awakening to the fact, they won't be keeping much of that money when tax time comes around and many are peeved off at the Tories. http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/universal-child-care-benefit-ads-misleading-families-say-critics-1.3172927 They're ending up with more money no matter who they are, and the poorer they are, the more they end up with. Quote
Argus Posted July 31, 2015 Report Posted July 31, 2015 They're ending up with more money no matter who they are, and the poorer they are, the more they end up with. No, no, no! That's regressive! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted July 31, 2015 Report Posted July 31, 2015 They're ending up with more money no matter who they are, and the poorer they are, the more they end up with. With UCCB perhaps. Not with income splitting. But I get that that is not what this thread is about so I'll step away from the drift. Quote
Smallc Posted July 31, 2015 Report Posted July 31, 2015 With UCCB perhaps. Not with income splitting. But I get that that is not what this thread is about so I'll step away from the drift. Income splitting is not about helping people who don't pay taxes. Once in a while, actual taxpayers can be given a break, I would think. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 31, 2015 Report Posted July 31, 2015 Income splitting is not about helping people who don't pay taxes. Once in a while, actual taxpayers can be given a break, I would think. I'm all for a tax break, just make it fair. Quote
Smallc Posted July 31, 2015 Report Posted July 31, 2015 I'm all for a tax break, just make it fair. How is it not fair? One income families with children are probably the worst off in terms of disposable income. Quote
Bryan Posted July 31, 2015 Report Posted July 31, 2015 I'm all for a tax break, just make it fair. The only thing "unfair" about our current tax structure is how much more in taxes people with higher incomes pay. The entire system is heavily weighted in favour of people with lower incomes. Now more than ever before. Quote
Argus Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 (edited) The only thing "unfair" about our current tax structure is how much more in taxes people with higher incomes pay. The entire system is heavily weighted in favour of people with lower incomes. Now more than ever before. True enough. The nonsense about how evil and cruel we are to the poor would be laughable were it not actually believed by so many. And has anyone even mentioned the working income tax benefit? Up to $11,000 deduction for a poor family. Add in the basic personal amount of about $11,000 federal, and something near $9,000 provincial, plus $4,000 per child dependent, and it's no wonder so many pay no taxes, and instead get big refunds. Edited August 1, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 The only thing "unfair" about our current tax structure is how much more in taxes people with higher incomes pay. The entire system is heavily weighted in favour of people with lower incomes. Now more than ever before. I guess if you want paved roads ad healthcare you have to pay for it. Giving money back to the highest wage earners is not very smart. Harper gets some votes, we get a lot more debt. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 (edited) I guess if you want paved roads ad healthcare you have to pay for it. Giving money back to the highest wage earners is not very smart. Harper gets some votes, we get a lot more debt. Almost all roads are the responsibility of cities and the provinces as is the delivery of healthcare by the Provinces. That's why we pay local taxes and Provincial taxes. Surely you have a better understanding roles and responsibilities than your constant whining indicates? Edited August 1, 2015 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 Almost all roads are the responsibility of cities and the provinces as is the delivery of healthcare by the Provinces. That's why we pay local taxes and Provincial taxes. Surely you have a better understanding roles and responsibilities than your constant whining indicates? It's called transfer of payments. It's all tax money, just to remind you. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 It's called transfer of payments. It's all tax money, just to remind you. You're just digging a bigger hole for yourself. Quit while you're behind. Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 You're just digging a bigger hole for yourself. Quit while you're behind. It's your boy Harper who is digging the hole. I'm luvin' it. Quote
The_Squid Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 I thought conservatives didn't like these kinds of hand-outs... what's changed? Quote
Smallc Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 I thought conservatives didn't like these kinds of hand-outs... what's changed? This is a universal program that goes to everyone. That's the big difference to me. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 Unhuh, yet you don't seem to understand why the others don't vote for the club that might want you as a member, and while your busy believing in your superiority and being outraged while looking foolish doing so, the evil empire has been winning elections for the last decade. Many of you believed the CPC's were evil even before they got elected the first time, some of you fully bought into the troops in the streets, women in the kitchen, ban abortion, ban gay marriage, private health care, etc, evil agenda, none of which was true, and now you have been beating the same desiccated horse for 10 years, a winning strategy? Perhaps not. Unless your goal is to appear ridiculous. Maybe your meandering diatribe has a point but you've managed to keep it safely hidden. Right wingers across this country were foaming at the mouth with outrage over the misdeeds of the Liberals. Curiously, they can't seem to work up any outrage that the crew that came in to clean things up has not only failed but has been worse. The Prime Minister's own chief of staff was caught red handed paying hush money to a corrupt senator appointed and protected by the PM. And we're all expected to believe that the PM, a notorious control freak, was kept in the dark. How does it get any worse than that? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 How much tax do you think poor people pay? How long is a piece of string? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
On Guard for Thee Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 Just a reminder, a week tuesday Nigel takes the stand. Quote
The_Squid Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 This is a universal program that goes to everyone. That's the big difference to me. No it isn't... It certainly does not go to everyone. Quote
Smallc Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 How long is a piece of string? The answer is none - poor people, as a general and almost constant rule, pay none. Quote
Smallc Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 No it isn't... It certainly does not go to everyone. It goes to anyone with children. The children part is kind of a prerequisite. Quote
waldo Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 It goes to anyone with children. The children part is kind of a prerequisite. so "universal' that the purposely misleading Harper Conservatives only highlight the benefit amount prior to tax... and without mentioning the loss of the Child Tax Credit. So misleading, so purposely misleading, that Canadians have actually begun to receive mock-cheques in Harper Conservative mailouts with an amount, not adjusted for tax... without any mention of the scuttling of the Child Tax Credit. Quote
cybercoma Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 Income splitting is not about helping people who don't pay taxes. Once in a while, actual taxpayers can be given a break, I would think.Sure. The federal government when it's needed most, that is during a recession, should be slashing revenues so that it can't perform its function. Great idea from our resident apologist in chief for Harper's piss poor economic and social policies. Quote
cybercoma Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 so "universal' that the purposely misleading Harper Conservatives only highlight the benefit amount prior to tax... and without mentioning the loss of the Child Tax Credit. So misleading, so purposely misleading, that Canadians have actually begun to receive mock-cheques in Harper Conservative mailouts with an amount, not adjusted for tax... without any mention of the scuttling of the Child Tax Credit.Don't worry, after these morons re-elect Harper and go to file their taxes in the spring, they'll realize all too late the slight of hand at play here. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted August 1, 2015 Report Posted August 1, 2015 Just a reminder, a week tuesday Nigel takes the stand. .....and when nothing comes of it, will you finally keep your trap shut? Quote Back to Basics
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