Greece? Add about 4% to Harper's Numbers

[cybercoma]

If you can take any offhand remark by a cabinet minister as being government policy, written or not, then I can point out what a hypocrite you're being.

Cabinet Ministers don't have the luxury of making offhand remarks. Any comment they make is government policy. That's not my rule, that's the way parliament has worked forever.

[cybercoma]

Odd, I suppose Mulcair travels more than Harper, Trudeau and May combined, since his expense far exceed the other's expenses.....

So what's he spending the money on then? You have any evidence of some sort of impropriety? Does he buy $24 orange juice too? Are we going to have Mulcair lead away in shackles like prominent Conservatives? Edited July 7, 2015 by cybercoma

[Derek 2.0]

Like Greece? THat's a seriously stupid question.

No, the NDP refuse to repay several million dollars of other people's money, like Greece, which refuses to pay billions of dollars of other people's money....I see a common theme.......

[Derek 2.0]

So what's he spending the money on then? You have any evidence of some sort of impropriety? Does he buy $24 orange juice too? Are we going to have Mulcair lead away in shackles like prominent Conservatives?

I have no idea what he spends it on, that is why I'm asking why Mulcair bills Canadian taxpayers a greater total for his travel (and live out expenses) than Harper, Trudeau and May combined.....

[Evening Star]

She's in the shadow cabinet. Following his logic then, not paying our creditors is now NDP policy.

Even if I were to assume this logic works (and I find cyber more convincing so far), I'm not sure that "Yes to democracy; No to austerity" means this.

[cybercoma]

No, the NDP refuse to repay several million dollars of other people's money

No. The NDP asked for a public hearing.

[cybercoma]

Even if I were to assume this logic works (and I find cyber more convincing so far), I'm not sure that "Yes to democracy; No to austerity" means this.

It doesn't. There's no reason Greece can't repay creditors without the crippling terms they put on the debts. Smallc and Derek are just regurgitating Conservative propaganda about the NDP, piggybacking on their boy Skippy.

[Derek 2.0]

Even if I were to assume this logic works (and I find cyber more convincing so far), I'm not sure that "Yes to democracy; No to austerity" means this.

That, and her retweeting of remarks that compared Greece's lenders to blackmailers and terrorists......and the NDP wants to lead a First World nation, well calling members of the EU and IMF blackmailers and terrorists?

Edited July 7, 2015 by Derek 2.0

[cybercoma]

That, and her retweeting of remarks that compared Greece's lenders to blackmailers and terrorists......and the NDP wants to lead a First World nation, well calling members of the EU and IMF blackmailers and terrorists?

Nobody called them terrorists. Naomi Klein said "vote no against blackmail and terror." The crippling terms of the IMF are indeed blackmail and terror. It's exacerbated the problems in Greece and was rightfully slapped down by Greek voters.

[blueblood]

It doesn't. There's no reason Greece can't repay creditors without the crippling terms they put on the debts. Smallc and Derek are just regurgitating Conservative propaganda about the NDP, piggybacking on their boy Skippy.

Oh yes they can...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/25/irelands-economy-starting-to-fire-all-cylinders-imf-report

Early indicators of a pig country following the rules of a bailout which includes a rockbottom corporate tax rate!

[cybercoma]

But we get it. Having taxpayers hand over all their money to banks, while unemployment skyrockets is what the Conservatives consider strong and stable economics. We can see here at home where their strong and stable hand of austerity has lead us. Right into the dumpster with a falling GDP and all of our eggs in one unstable, unreliable basket.

[cybercoma]

Oh yes they can...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/25/irelands-economy-starting-to-fire-all-cylinders-imf-report

Early indicators of a pig country following the rules of a bailout which includes a rockbottom corporate tax rate!

BS propaganda. I'm sure the Irish are just celebrating at how great their economy is with people unable to afford their mortgages and a ton of the population out of work. Break out the champagne.

[On Guard for Thee]

But we get it. Having taxpayers hand over all their money to banks, while unemployment skyrockets is what the Conservatives consider strong and stable economics. We can see here at home where their strong and stable hand of austerity has lead us. Right into the dumpster with a falling GDP and all of our eggs in one unstable, unreliable basket.

And 2 billion gone out of the rainy day fund for a faux balanced budget.

[Bryan]

Oh yes they can...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/25/irelands-economy-starting-to-fire-all-cylinders-imf-report

Early indicators of a pig country following the rules of a bailout which includes a rockbottom corporate tax rate!

Things were starting to improve in Greece too, until they voted in the coalition of the radical left.

[cybercoma]

Things were starting to improve in Greece too, until they voted in the coalition of the radical left.

Source?

[blueblood]

BS propaganda. I'm sure the Irish are just celebrating at how great their economy is with people unable to afford their mortgages and a ton of the population out of work. Break out the champagne.

Lmfao, thats it bs propaganda, the imf is bs propaganda??? If the economy keeps performing like it is over there, unrmployment will fall as its already doing so.

A 5% drop in unemployment. The irish have played this game before...

[Bryan]

Source?

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/07/06/canada-must-avoid-greek-entitlement

That's when the IMF and others jumped in. Simply put, that's other nations' taxpayers' money. It's redistribution. So you can understand why the lenders wanted Greece to agree to clean up their act. They didn't want them coming back for more.

But they did. The first bailout was in 2010, then there was another finalized in 2012. During this time private credit holders agreed to take a 53.5% loss on what Greece owed them. Thus anyone calling out for debt forgiveness needs to understand that it already happened.

The funny thing is the situation actually improved for Greece towards the end of 2014. The economy was looking rosier. But voters got impatient with the slow pace of improvements and did something really naive.

They voted for a party, Syriza, that's an acronym for "coalition of the radical left". And by radical, they meant radical. In North America, someone on the centre-left gets called a Marxist as a hyperbolic slur. But over there, many of them really are Marxists.

Syriza campaigned on ignoring previous bailout terms - this next part is key - that they'd already agreed to. This naturally made their lenders nervous and caused the crisis that resulted in Sunday's referendum.

Edited July 7, 2015 by Bryan

[cybercoma]

Lmfao, thats it bs propaganda, the imf is bs propaganda??? If the economy keeps performing like it is over there, unrmployment will fall as its already doing so.

A 5% drop in unemployment. The irish have played this game before...

Yes, lots of countries have been destroyed by their policies.

[cybercoma]

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/07/06/canada-must-avoid-greek-entitlement

Your source is a Sun News editorial? LMFAO. Get out of here with that garbage. Edited July 7, 2015 by cybercoma

[blueblood]

And 2 billion gone out of the rainy day fund for a faux balanced budget.

Sure beats the ndp stalwarts of the manitoba economy. 8% pst and almost a 420 million dollar deficit.

[Evening Star]

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/07/06/canada-must-avoid-greek-entitlement

This is pretty vague about what exactly was rosy about the Greek economy in late 2014.

[Bryan]

Your source is a Sun News editorial? LMFAO. Get out of here with that garbage.

Exponentially more credible than anything you've ever written here.

[On Guard for Thee]

Sure beats the ndp stalwarts of the manitoba economy. 8% pst and almost a 420 million dollar deficit.

So youre buying the koolaid.

[blueblood]

Yes, lots of countries have been destroyed by their policies.

Yet the irish are getting out of their predicament, hows our friend maduro in venezuela doing? Brown outs anyone? Im sure his neighbours in columbia will leave the lights on...

[blueblood]

So youre buying the koolaid.

Did raising the pst to 8% balance the budget?

Not the same kool aid as the rest of the province drank when they ran the power lines down the west side of the lake, enjoy the tax increase!!

Edited July 7, 2015 by blueblood