Derek 2.0 Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 It sure is now..... And just wait until the World Community has to start sending humanitarian aid packages to Greece.......should be just before the writ is dropped Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 Makes sense to me....communist birds of the same feather flock together. Sure, and the last time that happened in Greece, the army punted the flock. Quote
Bryan Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 You know that Germany uses PR too, right? I'm not even a big supporter of PR but this is a silly argument against it. Not everything is universally bad at all times, but the Greece example shows that the cautions of how had PR can go is not just fear-mongering. It's a system that has huge risks that can and do happen. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 Is Ashton's own remarks CPC propaganda? No, but you spinning this as though it's some official NDP policy, rather than the opinion of a Greek woman is CPC propaganda. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 It sure is now..... How about posting "lol" or a "smiley" face? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 No, but you spinning this as though it's some official NDP policy, rather than the opinion of a Greek woman is CPC propaganda. Is not Ashton well placed in the NDP party? If, for example, Jason Kenny spoke out against the recent Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage via Twitter, would not the NDP be up in arms? Remember when you called me a blind partisan (or something to that effect) a few weeks ago? Well at least I admit it Quote
cybercoma Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) Is not Ashton well placed in the NDP party? If, for example, Jason Kenny spoke out against the recent Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage via Twitter, would not the NDP be up in arms? Remember when you called me a blind partisan (or something to that effect) a few weeks ago? Well at least I admit it If a cabinet minister speaks about anything it is government policy. Anything a cabinet minister says is the official word of the government. That's very different from Niki Ashton making a comment on Twitter of all places about a serious issue in a country where her mother was born and Niki herself was married. Furthermore, it's only an issue if you believe that a "no" vote is problematic for some reason. The only thing you mentioned is Greece defaulting on loans, but you give no responsibility to creditors. You also make no mention of the fact that Germany did just that a number of years ago following two World Wars and crippling debt. Where's Germany now? I don't know how anyone can look at this situation and think the proper "medicine" is for Greece to be crippled by a loan repayment scheme that makes it virtually impossible for their economy to grow and will assuredly expand inequality and unemployment in the country. Though, I wouldn't expect anyone from the party that couldn't give a crap about working class people to understand why that's a problem. So long as the banks and creditors get their money, who gives a crap about the Greek economy recovering (/s). Edited July 7, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 If a cabinet minister speaks about anything it is government policy. Anything a cabinet minister says is the official word of the government. That's very different from Niki Ashton making a comment on Twitter of all places about a serious issue in a country where her mother was born and Niki herself was married. In an NDP Government, would not Ashton be named to the cabinet? Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 Sorry but I'm not going to pick on a politician over a comment over one of the most informal if media. Now if questioned about it and she sticks to it, that would be a different matter. Quote
Smallc Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 In an NDP Government, would not Ashton be named to the cabinet? She's in the shadow cabinet. Following his logic then, not paying our creditors is now NDP policy. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 She's in the shadow cabinet. Following his logic then, not paying our creditors is now NDP policy. Likewise Mulcair's previous support of Canada contributing to the IMF Greek bailout................. One wanted to give a bunch of bums money and the other supported the bums not paying back other countries money........... Quote
Bryan Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 She's in the shadow cabinet. Following his logic then, not paying our creditors is now NDP policy. Considering that the NDP are currently refusing to pay the $2.75 million they owe, that's an accurate statement. Quote
Smallc Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 Considering that the NDP are currently refusing to pay the $2.75 million they owe, that's an accurate statement. It's funny how that's not more of a scandal. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 She's in the shadow cabinet. Following his logic then, not paying our creditors is now NDP policy.It's not following "my logic." That's the way governments in this country work. Any public statements by Cabinet Ministers is government official government policy. They must speak in unison on topics and that's why, at least in the past, you would have cabinet ministers resign when they disagreed with the PMO. The shadow cabinet is not any sort of official body and does not always speak to the opposition party's policies. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 Considering that the NDP are currently refusing to pay the $2.75 million they owe, that's an accurate statement. Outta of the park on that one........well done kind sir *tips hat* Quote
cybercoma Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 It's funny how that's not more of a scandal.It's pretty funny that you accept partisan, closed-door hearings and wouldn't be more supportive of having a public trial for these things. But hey, tell us again how you're non-partisan. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 Outta of the park on that one........well done kind sir *tips hat*Dude! Bro! Highfives! Quote
Smallc Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 It's not following "my logic." That's the way governments in this country work. Any public statements by Cabinet Ministers is government official government policy. They must speak in unison on topics and that's why, at least in the past, you would have cabinet ministers resign when they disagreed with the PMO. The shadow cabinet is not any sort of official body and does not always speak to the opposition party's policies. The shadow cabinet is there to hold the government to account and to propose an alternative. If something doesn't have the backing of their party they won't be in their position for long. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 It's funny how that's not more of a scandal. How much do the rotten Tory and Liberal Senators owe again? And why did Mulcair claim over $12000 in accommodation expense claims........when he lives in a free house well in Ottawa? Quote
cybercoma Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 The shadow cabinet is there to hold the government to account and to propose an alternative. If something doesn't have the backing of their party they won't be in their position for long.The rules about the actual cabinet are not there for shadow cabinets. There are no rules about shadow cabinets. The opposition doesn't even have to form one. How about instead of parroting stupid nonsense about this being NDP policy, you show me where it's written anywhere that this is their official position and not a Greek woman's opinion about the situation in her mother's country? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 Dude! Bro! Highfives! So, like Greece, why are the NDP refusing to pay back money that isn't their own? Quote
cybercoma Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 How much do the rotten Tory and Liberal Senators owe again? And why did Mulcair claim over $12000 in accommodation expense claims........when he lives in a free house well in Ottawa? Gee, Derek, let's think about that for half a second. Why do you suppose the opposition leader would have accommodation expenses? It's not like he has to travel anywhere, eh? Quote
cybercoma Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 So, like Greece, why are the NDP refusing to pay back money that isn't their own?Like Greece? THat's a seriously stupid question. Quote
Smallc Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 The rules about the actual cabinet are not there for shadow cabinets. There are no rules about shadow cabinets. The opposition doesn't even have to form one. How about instead of parroting stupid nonsense about this being NDP policy, you show me where it's written anywhere that this is their official position and not a Greek woman's opinion about the situation in her mother's country? If you can take any offhand remark by a cabinet minister as being government policy, written or not, then I can point out what a hypocrite you're being. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 7, 2015 Report Posted July 7, 2015 Gee, Derek, let's think about that for half a second. Why do you suppose the opposition leader would have accommodation expenses? It's not like he has to travel anywhere, eh? Odd, I suppose Mulcair travels more than Harper, Trudeau and May combined, since his expense far exceed the other's expenses..... Quote
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