Argus Posted June 12, 2015 Report Posted June 12, 2015 This is a damning story in the National Post which I bet gets an awful lot of play in Alberta. Alberta's new government has 12 cabinet ministers, and has appointed 12 chiefs of staff to run their offices. 10 of them are from elsewhere in Canada, and have a history of using Alberta and its oil sands as a punching bag. That includes the new chief of staff to the premier (Brian Topp from Toronto), and the new chief of staff for the energy minister, who is from Toronto and is a registered lobbyist for a US funded anti-oilsands and anti fracking group. Now he's chief of staff to the energy minister?? No conflicts there, I'm sure! Ezra Levant, the man so many love to hate, is already calling them "Colonial administrators" and that's sure to put Alberta noses out of joint. More to the point, what happens in a province when the people in charge have flown in from other provinces, and are dedicated to the destruction of that province's main industry? http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/ezra-levant-meet-albertas-new-chiefs-of-staff Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bryan Posted June 12, 2015 Report Posted June 12, 2015 Why is anyone surprised? At least Albertans can't say that nobody warned them. Quote
Shady Posted June 12, 2015 Report Posted June 12, 2015 Alberta's experiment with the NDP is going to be really fun to watch, and will end horribly. Quote
WWWTT Posted June 12, 2015 Report Posted June 12, 2015 This the best the conservatives have??? LOL! No wonder the past Alberta pc premier came in third place last election! That's it conservatives, nurture your fear. Coddle and embrace your fear like as if it is all you have! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
cybercoma Posted June 12, 2015 Report Posted June 12, 2015 Despite the rampant paranoia and hysteria amongst the fear-mongering right, the NDP are the best fiscal managers this country has. They're the party with the best chance of steering Alberta through a declining oil market and it's great news that they're bringing in experienced people who've made it happen before. Quote
Shady Posted June 12, 2015 Report Posted June 12, 2015 Despite the rampant paranoia and hysteria amongst the fear-mongering right, the NDP are the best fiscal managers this country has. They're the party with the best chance of steering Alberta through a declining oil market and it's great news that they're bringing in experienced people who've made it happen before. There no declining oil market. Global demand goes up every year. That's why alarmists want to artificially price it higher. Quote
Shady Posted June 12, 2015 Report Posted June 12, 2015 This the best the conservatives have??? LOL! No wonder the past Alberta pc premier came in third place last election! That's it conservatives, nurture your fear. Coddle and embrace your fear like as if it is all you have! WWWTT Hey how do you reconcile your love of the NDP with their complete devotion to global warming? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 There no declining oil market. Global demand goes up every year. That's why alarmists want to artificially price it higher. Apparently you haven't checked the price of a barrel of crude lately. What would you call a drop from over 100 to less than 60, if not a decline...Its not complicated. Quote
Shady Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Apparently you haven't checked the price of a barrel of crude lately. What would you call a drop from over 100 to less than 60, if not a decline...Its not complicated. Prices can fluctuate for many reasons. Demand isn't down. That's a fact. Did you think there was a declining market for oil in the 1990s when oil was at 20 dollars a barrel? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Prices can fluctuate for many reasons. Demand isn't down. That's a fact. Did you think there was a declining market for oil in the 1990s when oil was at 20 dollars a barrel? Thats correct, and the forces that drive oil prices down could very well continue for many years to come. I wouldn't rush out to buy shares in a declining market if I were you. Quote
Freddy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Apparently you haven't checked the price of a barrel of crude lately. What would you call a drop from over 100 to less than 60, if not a decline...Its not complicated. OPEC was intentional pumping it out slowly. And this year changed its slow pumping policy to a new regular pumping speed. I know right? Very difficult stuff to understand. Quote
Freddy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) Thats correct, and the forces that drive oil prices down could very well continue for many years to come. I wouldn't rush out to buy shares in a declining market if I were you.To call it a declining market, would be silly. As the demand is not down. In this case it is the supply that has risen. It's very difficult stuff to understand Edited June 13, 2015 by Freddy Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 To call it a declining market, would be silly. As the demand is not down. In this case it is the supply that has risen. It's very difficult stuff to understand Keep trying. Quote
Freddy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) North America set out to achieve oil energy independence. It was in a whole bunch of Obama speeches. "Energy Independence for America". The moment the Saudi's stopped pumping at a slow rate, that goal was achieved. Today's outcome is a victory for North America. Difficult to understand I know. Edited June 13, 2015 by Freddy Quote
cybercoma Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 There no declining oil market. Global demand goes up every year. That's why alarmists want to artificially price it higher.Really Shady? The oil markets are just fine? Just yearly cycles here? That's why oil is half the price it was last year? Quote
cybercoma Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 To call it a declining market, would be silly. As the demand is not down. In this case it is the supply that has risen. It's very difficult stuff to understandThe market price of oil is down. Jesus. Do you guys have a salient point here with your pedantics? Quote
kimmy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 This is a damning story in the National Post which I bet gets an awful lot of play in Alberta. Alberta's new government has 12 cabinet ministers, and has appointed 12 chiefs of staff to run their offices. 10 of them are from elsewhere in Canada, and have a history of using Alberta and its oil sands as a punching bag. That includes the new chief of staff to the premier (Brian Topp from Toronto), and the new chief of staff for the energy minister, who is from Toronto and is a registered lobbyist for a US funded anti-oilsands and anti fracking group. Now he's chief of staff to the energy minister?? No conflicts there, I'm sure! Ezra Levant, the man so many love to hate, is already calling them "Colonial administrators" and that's sure to put Alberta noses out of joint. More to the point, what happens in a province when the people in charge have flown in from other provinces, and are dedicated to the destruction of that province's main industry? http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/ezra-levant-meet-albertas-new-chiefs-of-staff Topp is an experienced guy, having already served as a chief of staff for Roy Romanow's NDP government in Saskatchewan. There's not exactly a lot of experienced NDP staffers in Alberta, so looking outside the province isn't that big of a surprise. What alternatives would you propose? Search through the dumpster of discarded Progressive Conservative partisans? Appoint some oil industry cronies? Of course Levant knows what he's doing, playing on the reliable old Albertan distrust of easterners. That might resonate with some people; largely older rural conservatives who didn't vote for Rachel Notley anyway. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Freddy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Keep trying. Hey, it's true. The world is a complicated place. I wouldn't expect the average human to understand it. Quote
Freddy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) The market price of oil is down. Jesus. Do you guys have a salient point here with your pedantics?North America set out to achieve oil energy independence. It was in a whole bunch of Obama speeches. "Energy Independence for America". The moment the Saudi's stopped pumping at a slow rate, that goal was achieved. Today's outcome is a victory for North America energy independence policy. Difficult to understand I know. Edited June 13, 2015 by Freddy Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Hey, it's true. The world is a complicated place. I wouldn't expect the average human to understand it. Are you trying to say you have some sort of understanding of it... Quote
Freddy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Are you trying to say you have some sort of understanding of it... cybercoma, on 12 Jun 2015 - 9:33 PM, said: The market price of oil is down. Jesus. Do you guys have a salient point here with your pedantics? North America set out to achieve oil energy independence. It was in a whole bunch of Obama speeches. "Energy Independence for America". The moment the Saudi's stopped pumping at a slow rate, that goal was achieved. Today's outcome is a victory for North America energy independence policy. Difficult to understand I know. Edited by Freddy, Today, 09:43 PM. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 North America set out to achieve oil energy independence. It was in a whole bunch of Obama speeches. "Energy Independence for America". The moment the Saudi's stopped pumping at a slow rate, that goal was achieved. Today's outcome is a victory for North America energy independence policy. Difficult to understand I know. Well no, actually US shale production simply caused the Saudis to drop their price. Its not all that complicated. Quote
Freddy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Well no, actually US shale production simply caused the Saudis to drop their price. Its not all that complicated. Yes, let me break it down for you. Saudi had the power to set the prices. It then decided to set them high by pumping slowly. We then decided to adopt a independence oil energy policy and produce our own so that the Saudi could not have this power over us. And when the Saudi's stopped pumping at a artificially low rate, it did so in reaction to our energy independence policy. It's called competition. But that is way to complicated for most to understand. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) Yes, let me break it down for you. Saudi had the power to set the prices. It then decided to set them high by pumping slowly. We then decided to adopt a independence oil energy policy and produce our own so that the Saudi could not have this power over us. And when the Saudi's stopped pumping at a artificially low rate, it did so in reaction to our energy independence policy. It's called competition. But that is way to complicated for most to understand. You have the cart a little before the horse, but you have the basic idea. There are a number of other factors involved, but some of them may be too complicated for some to understand. Ill give you a hint though, one of the others has to do with natgas. Edited June 13, 2015 by On Guard for Thee Quote
Freddy Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) You have the cart a little before the horse, but you have the basic idea. There are a number of other factors involved, but some of them may be too complicated for some to understand. Ill give you a hint though, one of the others has to do with natgas.. Well let's stop calling the oil market a declining market, and call it what it really is. The oil market is more competitive today then it once was when the price of a barrel was over 100$ Due to our energy independence policy. That means we achieved what we set out to do with our policy. The natural reaction should be to be happy our policy worked. The world now enjoys lower oil costs as a result of our oil energy independence policy. Rejoice!!! Success!!!! Edited June 13, 2015 by Freddy Quote
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