OSCE finds Bill C-51 violates Universal Declaration of Human Rights

cybercoma · May 28, 2015

Of course the position i'm taking is irrational! The position of the government is irrational. That's the whole damn point! The same reason you wouldn't forward me all of your emails is the same reason we have a right to our privacy, right to free association, etc. Even if you're doing nothing wrong, there is value to your privacy. It's YOU conservatives who have complete disregard for people's personal lives and privacy, yet are the first to complain about government intrusion. It's blatant hypocrisy and you can't even step back far enough to see it.

Je suis Omar · May 28, 2015

It is not a red herring. I am really tired of the phony outrage coming from hypocrites.

Citizens of the world killed by USA since WWII - more than 10 million

Citizens of USA killed by people from other countries - less than 10,000

Who are those that bleat the loudest and longest - the USA and their supporters.

Hypocrisy much, TimG?

Edited May 28, 2015 by Je suis Omar

Je suis Omar · May 29, 2015

You're only digging yourself a deeper hole. The position you're taking is irrational, and the examples your giving don't apply.

You and KIS are fighting over who gets to swallow the hook, line and sinker.

On Guard for Thee · May 29, 2015

Citizens of the world killed by USA since WWII - more than 10 million

Citizens of USA killed by people from other countries - less than 10,000

Who are those that bleat the loudest and longest - the USA and their supporters.

Hypocrisy much, TimG?

And this has wht to do with C51......again

Je suis Omar · May 29, 2015

And this has wht to do with C51......again

It has direct bearing on Tim's fatuous notion that there is any greater hypocrisy than the hypocrisy of, mostly the USA, but also the grand hypocrisy of those countries and people supporting these hypocritical war criminals and terrorists.

What I mentioned above has direct bearing on the many provisions of C 51, which are being inserted to deal with a completely false narrative. A narrative that is a carbon copy of McCarthyism in all its splendiferous lies.

On Guard for Thee · May 29, 2015

It has direct bearing on Tim's fatuous notion that there is any greater hypocrisy than the hypocrisy of, mostly the USA, but also the grand hypocrisy of those countries and people supporting these hypocritical war criminals and terrorists.

What I mentioned above has direct bearing on the many provisions of C 51, which are being inserted to deal with a completely false narrative. A narrative that is a carbon copy of McCarthyism in all its splendiferous lies.

Naw, just more of your incessant blather about terrorist USA. And in the wrong thread..again. Next it will be how C 51 is somehow a cover up for 9-11.

On Guard for Thee · May 29, 2015

....and you wonder why people are accused of wearing tinfoil hats.

Sometimes so called tin foil hats are warranted. The trick is knowing when to seek their protection. C 51 is one of those whens.

cybercoma · May 29, 2015

Citizens of the world killed by USA since WWII - more than 10 million

Citizens of USA killed by people from other countries - less than 10,000

Who are those that bleat the loudest and longest - the USA and their supporters.

Hypocrisy much, TimG?

This has nothing to do with the OP. Try to stay on topic.

Je suis Omar · May 29, 2015

Naw, just more of your incessant blather about terrorist USA. And in the wrong thread..again. Next it will be how C 51 is somehow a cover up for 9-11.

The out of control reactions by Harper et al to the completely expected actions of people tired of Terrorist USA is C51.

You are the expert in cover ups. Instead of honestly addressing your frequent mistakes you cover them up with blather.

Je suis Omar · May 29, 2015

This has nothing to do with the OP. Try to stay on topic.

Why is C51 being proposed by Harper? Edited May 29, 2015 by Je suis Omar

On Guard for Thee · May 29, 2015

The out of control reactions by Harper et al to the completely expected actions of people tired of Terrorist USA is C51.

You are the expert in cover ups. Instead of honestly addressing your frequent mistakes you cover them up with blather.

OK so I see you are now supporting C51 as it is in response to what we can expect. Boy your blather gets you into trouble quite often I see. Maybe go to a relative thread with it.

Edited May 29, 2015 by On Guard for Thee

Je suis Omar · May 29, 2015

OK so I see you are now supporting C51 as it is in response to what we can expect. Boy your blather gets you into trouble quite often I see. Maybe go to a relative thread with it.

A excellent example of why you should never attempt editing.

Or writing.

Edited May 29, 2015 by Je suis Omar

cybercoma · May 29, 2015

Why is C51 being proposed by Harper?

That's not the point of the discussion. We're talking about the OSCE finding the legislation in violation of the UDHR.

Bryan · May 29, 2015

It's YOU conservatives who have complete disregard for people's personal lives and privacy

False premise.

On Guard for Thee · May 29, 2015

A excellent example of why you should never attempt editing.

Just completed one. More beer money. Now try to stay on topic. Bill C 51.

cybercoma · May 29, 2015

False premise.

Do you even know what a "premise" is? That sentence is a conclusion that follows from the premises that were provided in the argumentative statement.

Je suis Omar · May 29, 2015

That's not the point of the discussion. We're talking about the OSCE finding the legislation in violation of the UDHR.

Point mostly taken, cyber. "the legislation" is C51. C51 is a response to what? No need to answer. As I have noted, mostly taken. Carry on.

I never noticed the results of any voting to determine this result. Is it similar to a UN General Assembly vote? Who voted for/against the motion? Who abstained?

Edited May 29, 2015 by Je suis Omar

Bryan · May 29, 2015

Do you even know what a "premise" is?

I do. Clearly you don't. Would you like to borrow a textbook on the matter?

Je suis Omar · May 29, 2015

I do. Clearly you don't. Would you like to borrow a textbook on the matter?

Instead of paddling furiously away from the issue, Bryan, why not paddle your canoe back around and face the issue?

Do you think the conservatives who support C51 are only the "tea party" fringe?

Edited May 29, 2015 by Je suis Omar

Bryan · May 29, 2015

Do you think the conservatives who support C51 are only the "tea party" fringe?

I know a lot of people who support the bill, but I don't know anyone who is a "tea party" fringe.

On Guard for Thee · May 29, 2015

I know a lot of people who support the bill, but I don't know anyone who is a "tea party" fringe.

That puts you in the minority according to the polls.

Keepitsimple · May 29, 2015

That puts you in the minority according to the polls.

Repeating yourself over and over doesn't make it true. I know how disappointed you are but the most current, reputable poll says that "all things considered", 72% of Canadians support the legislation - which also says that even those that are very familiar with it, 45% are not opposed to it.

The new survey, conducted by the Angus Reid Institute, is a follow-up to a February poll that found 82 per cent favoured the bill. That proportion has now fallen, but not dramatically: 72 per cent still said that, “all things considered,” they support the legislation.

Link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/security-fears-still-outweigh-concerns-about-lost-rights/article24608809/

Edited May 29, 2015 by Keepitsimple

On Guard for Thee · May 29, 2015

Repeating yourself over and over doesn't make it true. I know how disappointed you are but the most current, reputable poll says that "all things considered", 72% of Canadians support the legislation - which also says that even those that are very familiar with it, 45% are not opposed to it.

The new survey, conducted by the Angus Reid Institute, is a follow-up to a February poll that found 82 per cent favoured the bill. That proportion has now fallen, but not dramatically: 72 per cent still said that, “all things considered,” they support the legislation.

Link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/security-fears-still-outweigh-concerns-about-lost-rights/article24608809/

So your poll disagrees with my poll, but not so much when you actually look into it. (and mine questioned a larger number of people). The majority in your poll say the bill goes too far. And the majority of support in the AR poll seems to center around this so called all things considered classification. And it also says the support drops to a minority when you ask those who are closely following the news about, and are more aware of what is actually in the bill.

Keepitsimple · May 29, 2015

So your poll disagrees with my poll, but not so much when you actually look into it. (and mine questioned a larger number of people). The majority in your poll say the bill goes too far. And the majority of support in the AR poll seems to center around this so called all things considered classification. And it also says the support drops to a minority when you ask those who are closely following the news about, and are more aware of what is actually in the bill.

The poll you are referring to is two months old. As I said - the new one shows that even among that minority who are familiar with the legislation, only 55% oppose it. Again - all things considered, 72% of Canadians support it. You are part of the minority. That's not a bad thing - just a fact.

On Guard for Thee · May 29, 2015

The poll you are referring to is two months old. As I said - the new one shows that even among that minority who are familiar with the legislation, only 55% oppose it. Again - all things considered, 72% of Canadians support it. You are part of the minority. That's not a bad thing - just a fact.

So both polls actually point out that the more ignorant you are of what is actually in the bill, the more likely you would support it. That is a bad thing I would say. Luckily for all of us, the folks over at the SCC do know pretty much what is in the bill.