Why does the US support Israel?

[puffin]

And if you'll remember, (but I suspect your selective memory will not) Saddam Hussain was the USA's buddy.

Evidence?

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At your service:

Cheers

Huffin the Puffin

[Argus]

And if you'll remember, (but I suspect your selective memory will not) Saddam Hussain was the USA's buddy.

Evidence?

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At your service:

Cheers

Huffin the Puffin

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Are you saying everyone a US politician shakes hands with is their buddy?

Don't be silly. Lastman shook hands with a Hells Angels rep. Chreteien hugged Chinese dictators.

[Montgomery Burns]

mopek:

Hi Everyone,

It seems that the root of the hatred from the Arab world towards the Americans (and therefore the terrorist activity) always comes back to the fact that the US decided to support Israel instead of trying to mediate the situation.

It's not just America. Islamic terrorists have also murdered, bombed, and/or beheaded innocents in Thailand, India, Indonesia, the Philippines, Russia and numerous other countries. Not all of these countries support Israel.

I am just curious why they do?

I have heard many wild theories but would like to know facts so I can understand this better.

Thanks

The US generally supports democratic countries. Besides Israel, there are no democratic countries in the Mid East. In fact, Israel is surrounded by very hostile nations.

Iraq will become the 2nd democratic country in the ME.

[puffin]

Are you saying everyone a US politician shakes hands with is their buddy?

Don't be silly. Lastman shook hands with a Hells Angels rep. Chreteien hugged Chinese dictators.

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OK I must admit that my first reply was short and a bit provokotative.

I can explain a bit more ; John King made this summery of US - Iraq relations:

September, 1980. Iraq invades Iran. The beginning of the Iraq-Iran war.

February, 1982. Despite objections from congress, President Reagan removes Iraq from its list of known terrorist countries.

December, 1982. Hughes Aircraft ships 60 Defender helicopters to Iraq.

1982-1988. Defense Intelligence Agency provides detailed information for Iraq on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for air strikes and bomb damage assessments.

November, 1983. A National Security Directive states that the U.S would do "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing its war with Iran.

November, 1983. Banca Nazionale del Lavoro of Italy and its Branch in Atlanta begin to funnel $5 billion in unreported loans to Iraq. Iraq, with the blessing and official approval of the US government, purchased computer controlled machine tools, computers, scientific instruments, special alloy steel and aluminum, chemicals, and other industrial goods for Iraq's missile, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs.

October, 1983. The Reagan Administration begins secretly allowing Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt to transfer United States weapons, including Howitzers, Huey helicopters, and bombs to Iraq. These shipments violated the Arms Export Control Act.

November 1983. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops are daily using chemical weapons against the Iranians.

Donald Rumsfeld -Reagan's Envoy- provided Iraq with

chemical & biological weapons

December 20, 1983. Donald Rumsfeld , then a civilian and now Defense Secretary, meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials support.

July, 1984. CIA begins giving Iraq intelligence necessary to calibrate its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops.

January 14, 1984. State Department memo acknowledges United States shipment of "dual-use" export hardware and technology. Dual use items are civilian items such as heavy trucks, armored ambulances and communications gear as well as industrial technology that can have a military application.

March, 1986. The United States with Great Britain block all Security Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons, and on March 21 the US becomes the only country refusing to sign a Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of these weapons.

May, 1986. The US Department of Commerce licenses 70 biological exports to Iraq between May of 1985 and 1989, including at least 21 batches of lethal strains of anthrax.

May, 1986. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade botulin poison to Iraq.

March, 1987. President Reagan bows to the findings of the Tower Commission admitting the sale of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. Oliver North uses the profits from the sale to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua.

Late 1987. The Iraqi Air Force begins using chemical agents against Kurdish resistance forces in northern Iraq.

February, 1988. Saddam Hussein begins the "Anfal" campaign against the Kurds of northern Iraq. The Iraq regime used chemical weapons against the Kurds killing over 100,000 civilians and destroying over 1,200 Kurdish villages.

April, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of chemicals used in manufacture of mustard gas.

August, 1988. Four major battles were fought from April to August 1988, in which the Iraqis massively and effectively used chemical weapons to defeat the Iranians. Nerve gas and blister agents such as mustard gas are used. By this time the US Defense Intelligence Agency is heavily involved with Saddam Hussein in battle plan assistance, intelligence gathering and post battle debriefing. In the last major battle with of the war, 65,000 Iranians are killed, many with poison gas. Use of chemical weapons in war is in violation of the Geneva accords of 1925.

August, 1988. Iraq and Iran declare a cease fire.

August, 1988. Five days after the cease fire Saddam Hussein sends his planes and helicopters to northern Iraq to begin massive chemical attacks against the Kurds.

September, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade anthrax and botulinum to Iraq.

September, 1988. Richard Murphy, Assistant Secretary of State: "The US-Iraqi relationship is... important to our long-term political and economic objectives."

December, 1988. Dow chemical sells $1.5 million in pesticides to Iraq despite knowledge that these would be used in chemical weapons.

July 25, 1990. US Ambassador to Baghdad meets with Hussein to assure him that President Bush "wanted better and deeper relations". Many believe this visit was a trap set for Hussein. A month later Hussein invaded Kuwait thinking the US would not respond.

August, 1990 Iraq invades Kuwait. The precursor to the Gulf War.

July, 1991 The Financial Times of London reveals that a Florida chemical company had produced and shipped cyanide to Iraq during the 80's using a special CIA courier. Cyanide was used extensively against the Iranians.

August, 1991. Christopher Droguol of Atlanta's branch of Banca Nazionale del Lavoro is arrested for his role in supplying loans to Iraq for the purchase of military supplies. He is charged with 347 counts of felony. Droguol is found guilty, but US officials plead innocent of any knowledge of his crime.

June, 1992. Ted Kopple of ABC Nightline reports: "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush Sr., operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980's, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into [an aggressive power]."

July, 1992. "The Bush administration deliberately, not inadvertently, helped to arm Iraq by allowing U.S. technology to be shipped to Iraqi military and to Iraqi defense factories... Throughout the course of the Bush administration, U.S. and foreign firms were granted export licenses to ship U.S. technology directly to Iraqi weapons facilities despite ample evidence showing that these factories were producing weapons." Representative Henry Gonzalez, Texas, testimony before the House.

February, 1994. Senator Riegle from Michigan, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, testifies before the senate revealing large US shipments of dual-use biological and chemical agents to Iraq that may have been used against US troops in the Gulf War and probably was the cause of the illness known as Gulf War Syndrome.

August, 2002. "The use of gas [during the Iran-Iraq war] on the battle field by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern... We were desperate to make sure that Iraq did not lose". Colonel Walter Lang, former senior US Defense Intelligence officer tells the New York Times.

I think this would qualify for using the term "buddy". Correct me if you think I'm wrong.

Regards

Huffin the Puffin

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Can you post the pic of Jacques ChIraq touring the nuclear reactor with Saddam?

Or how about the pic of Saddam walking on red carpet when he got off the plane in Paris to meet his good buddy ChIraq?

Or don't those count?

Is this the same John King who writes for the far left informationclearinghouse website?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the Democrats controlled Congress when Reagan was Prez.

[Shady]

Can you post the pic of Jacques ChIraq touring the nuclear reactor with Saddam?

Or how about the pic of Saddam walking on red carpet when he got off the plane in Paris to meet his good buddy ChIraq?

Or don't those count?

Or how about George Galloway meeting with Saddam and his cronies?

Or how about Madeline Albright drinking champagne with Kim Jong Ill?

[shoop]

It's simple:  America supports Israel because Christians in America support Israel.

Christians constitute the biggest voting block in the USA.  No political candidate can get elected if the Christians are opposed.  Christians in the USA are united in their support of Israel.

There you go, hope this helps. 

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Helps to show your complete lack of understanding of the U.S.-Israeli relationship and of conservative Christianity in the U.S.

Chrisitians in the U.S. are far, far, far from united in their support of Israel. Falwell and his kooky ilk are some of the many, many examples of opposition to Israel.

http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/990122/falwell.shtml

The Jewish community is very active in U.S. politics and understand the way the system works. AIPAC is the biggest, and most well-organized, example of Jewish Americans working the political system effectively. www.theisrelproject.org is another.

[Yodeler]

Chrisitians in the U.S. are far, far, far from united in their support of Israel.

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I don't give a damn! Benedict XVI loves the Jews, and that's good enough for me.

Give me ONE good reason why the Jews should not be loved and I'll give you twenty why they should.

Is it a deal?

[puffin]

Can you post the pic of Jacques ChIraq touring the nuclear reactor with Saddam? 

Or how about the pic of Saddam walking on red carpet when he got off the plane in Paris to meet his good buddy ChIraq?

Or don't those count?

Is this the same John King who writes for the far left informationclearinghouse website?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the Democrats controlled Congress when Reagan was Prez. 

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Hi

Of course these pics count.

Sadam Hussein was connected to many perhaps even most countries in the west. Also USSR and even my country (Sweden). That could explain much of his actions - that he thought the western countries would not invade Iraq.

This was not the issue we were discussing though. The issue was if Hussein was USA's "buddy" or not. I think the information I mentioned above justifies the term buddy.

Btw you might be correct that John King writes in informationclearinghouse. The article I cut from was published in UNOBSERVER (amongst others). The references seem to be correct. If you are in doubt go to the article and check the references.

To the last point: I think you could be correct about the Democrats being in power in Congress at that time. It is first presently that there is some significant difference in foreign politic between the parties.

Cheers

Huffin the Puffin

[tml12]

It's simple:  America supports Israel because Christians in America support Israel.

Christians constitute the biggest voting block in the USA.  No political candidate can get elected if the Christians are opposed.  Christians in the USA are united in their support of Israel.

There you go, hope this helps.  

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Helps to show your complete lack of understanding of the U.S.-Israeli relationship and of conservative Christianity in the U.S.

Chrisitians in the U.S. are far, far, far from united in their support of Israel. Falwell and his kooky ilk are some of the many, many examples of opposition to Israel.

http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/990122/falwell.shtml

The Jewish community is very active in U.S. politics and understand the way the system works. AIPAC is the biggest, and most well-organized, example of Jewish Americans working the political system effectively. www.theisrelproject.org is another.

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You are certainly correct Shoop that the Christian Right in the States is not supportive of Israel. Yet, Bush supports Israel because both share common interests now. That, of course, could change.

Israelis support Bush, yet most American Jews hate him. Why? Because U.S.-based Jews tend to be more left-leaning on domestic policy...something which Bush isn't.