Evening Star Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 This story doesn't really seem to add up to much for me. Assuming that everything Soudas says is true (a big assumption), all it shows is that Mulcair considered a few different options and eventually settled on one, which he has remained committed to and successful with since then. This is not corruption. Nor has he publicly advocated for one policy and then contradicted himself. And if he was just greedy for money, why would he have joined the NDP at a time when they had virtually no presence in Quebec and built them up from there? He had plenty of high-ranking civil service, legal, and political experience. I'm sure he could have found an easier and more lucrative gig. Quote
Evening Star Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 I'm sure the Maple Ridge and Pitt Meadow News is going to sink him, though. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Why would you say Soudas is a Liberal... Quote
Evening Star Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 If the position in question really was to join the National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy, an independent advisory board (that has since been defunded by the CPC-led government), then this story is especially silly. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 This story doesn't really seem to add up to much for me. Assuming that everything Soudas says is true (a big assumption), all it shows is that Mulcair considered a few different options and eventually settled on one, which he has remained committed to and successful with since then. This is not corruption. Nor has he publicly advocated for one policy and then contradicted himself. And if he was just greedy for money, why would he have joined the NDP at a time when they had virtually no presence in Quebec and built them up from there? He had plenty of high-ranking civil service, legal, and political experience. I'm sure he could have found an easier and more lucrative gig. I think the Soudas implication, in confirming the Macleans' sources, is that a broke Mulcair wanted a lucrative salary prior to entering Federal politics.....nothing illegal of course, but if his political ideology goes to the highest bidder, it speaks to his character, well questioning his commitment to the policies put forth by the NDP. As to joining the NDP, and running in a by-election, from the sounds of it, the NDP is the only Federal party that would have him.... Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 I'm sure the Maple Ridge and Pitt Meadow News is going to sink him, though. Right, but then, I'd assume at this time, West Coast papers have the most alert staff.......I've no doubt it will be picked up by more Eastern papers by morning...... Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Why would you say Soudas is a Liberal... Because he joined the LPC as an adviser after his girlfriend crossed the floor........ Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Because he joined the LPC as an adviser after his girlfriend crossed the floor........ You are aware of his CPC background I hope. He used to be Harper's executive director. He may have some nasty tales to tell. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 If the position in question really was to join the National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy, an independent advisory board (that has since been defunded by the CPC-led government), then this story is especially silly. Right, but that is not the claim, in that he was to join the PMO as an adviser to the Prime Minister until the next Federal Election, and then, run as a Tory........such things will be known and confirmed by people, I'm certain, other than Mulcair and Soudas........someone will end-up as a liar, and I see know reason why Soudas would confirm such reports, if he didn't have proof......as he would clearly be opening himself up to legal action putting such a claim out there about a public figure. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 You are aware of his CPC background I hope. He used to be Harper's executive director. He may have some nasty tales to tell. Thanks, I've met him at a policy convention about ten years ago.........keep up the good work tips........he's since jumped ship with Eve. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Thanks, I've met him at a policy convention about ten years ago.........keep up the good work tips........he's since jumped ship with Eve. Your welcome. Just wanted to make sure you are up to date. Quote
Evening Star Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) I think the Soudas implication, in confirming the Macleans' sources, is that a broke Mulcair wanted a lucrative salary prior to entering Federal politics.....nothing illegal of course, but if his political ideology goes to the highest bidder, it speaks to his character, well questioning his commitment to the policies put forth by the NDP. As to joining the NDP, and running in a by-election, from the sounds of it, the NDP is the only Federal party that would have him.... Was he really broke? Do we have any basis for this other than that he mortgaged his house multiple times (which could mean a number of things)? And, again, if he was so broke and desperate for money, why did he not just e.g. join a law firm instead of taking the far less secure route of running for election under the NDP banner (edit: which surely paid less than $180k)? Or are you saying that being involved in federal politics and government was more important to him than the money? If so, it is believable to me that he was looking for a pragmatic way to promote environmental policies, as he had tried to do provincially in Quebec, with one party or another. (At least according to some reports, he left Charest's cabinet over a matter of environmental principle.) Edit: And, I mean, if Soudas is right, clearly the Conservatives would have had him and were willing to pay $180K for it. If anything, this story sounds like it could sell Mulcair to centrist or even conservative swing voters. Edited June 30, 2015 by Evening Star Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Was he really broke? Do we have any basis for this other than that he mortgaged his house multiple times (which could mean a number of things)? I've no idea, other than what has been reported in the MSM. And, again, if he was so broke and desperate for money, why did he not just e.g. join a law firm instead of taking the far less secure route of running for election under the NDP banner? Or are you saying that being involved in federal politics and government was more important to him than the money? If so, it is believable to me that he was looking for a pragmatic way to promote environmental policies, as he had tried to do provincially in Quebec, with one party or another. (At least according to some reports, he left Charest's cabinet over a matter of environmental principle.) Again, I don't know.........but why would he, if seeking to further his environmental policies, attempt to join the Tories (with a huge salary), and not the Liberals, who at the time under Dion were promoting such, in addition (at the time) seemed the most likely replacement to the Tories? As I said, maybe the NDP was his only choice.........I am certain though that in the coming days we learn more of this, as both Liberals and Tories come forward and the media digs deeper......... Quote
Evening Star Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 When (a slightly different version of) this story came out three years ago, Mulcair said that he met with the Conservatives, Liberals, and Greens, before deciding to work with the NDP, fwiw. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 When (a slightly different version of) this story came out three years ago, Mulcair said that he met with the Conservatives, Liberals, and Greens, before deciding to work with the NDP, fwiw.But this is NEW groundbreaking information! Stop trying to mess up the narrative. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 if he was so broke and desperate for money, why did he not just e.g. join a law firm instead of taking the far less secure route of running for election under the NDP bannerMulcair has said that the reason he asked for more money from the CPC was just that. He had an offer from a law firm at the time that was much higher than the CPC was willing to pay when they courted him. Oh, that's right. The CPC doesn't tell you that part. They were after him for Quebec votes, but he turned them down because he had a better offer from a law firm at the time and was more politically aligned with the NDP anyway. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 “My last exchange was with then chief of staff Ian Brodie, who was also looking at an advisory position. The only subject was Kyoto and climate change. He made it clear that my support for Kyoto would have to change. That, for me, was out of the question. This was our last conversation. Our talks broke off on climate change,” Tom Mulcair tells Maclean’s. Quote
PIK Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 I am sure if there were some nasty tales to tell we would have heard by now. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
cybercoma Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) This says more about the Conservatives than it does Mulcair, especially since it makes even more sense that the Conservatives would have approached a popular minister of the environment who just resigned to be a federal advisor on the environment. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/thomas-mulcair-almost-became-tory-adviser-in-2007-report-1.3132863 Edited June 30, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
Argus Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Might be because certainly the tories, and to a lesser extent the liberals, don't have too much to attack the ndp with, without a big backfire. LOL! Anyone who has read the NDP policy manual has TONS of stuff to attack them on! They're just waiting until the election to do it. Let Mulcair explain all the new taxes he wants to impose, and what impact that will have on the economy, not to mention people's wallets. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 LOL! Anyone who has read the NDP policy manual has TONS of stuff to attack them on! They're just waiting until the election to do it. Let Mulcair explain all the new taxes he wants to impose, and what impact that will have on the economy, not to mention people's wallets. They better come up with something better than beheading videos, because that one sure seems to be backfiring. Quote
Argus Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 They better come up with something better than beheading videos, because that one sure seems to be backfiring. Because the left wingers here don't like it? LOL! :lol: Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Because the left wingers here don't like it? LOL! :lol: No, because anyone with 2 braincells to rub together doesn't like it. And it may even be illegal under the CPCs own law. Quote
PIK Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 Now with the truth about tommy starting to come out, things may change. Conservatives have been holding onto this little jewel waiting to pounce. One thing the NDP and liberals better not do, is underestimate harper. Do that at your own peril. lol Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Argus Posted June 30, 2015 Report Posted June 30, 2015 No, because anyone with 2 braincells to rub together doesn't like it. And it may even be illegal under the CPCs own law. People with single digit brain cells are generally on the Left, and would never vote Conservative anyway. And your absurd interpretation of the law is farcical. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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