How many Canadians think US election is rigged?

[caesar]

A Bush election is not good news for anyone. It has nothing to do with right or left wing or trade issues. He has made this world a more unstable and dangerous place to live. Invading Iraq while it was cooperating with the UN weapons inspectors; killing thousands or innocent Iraqis; costing the lives of young American soldiers and allowing others to be permanently maimed when Iraq was NOT a danger to the USA and was NOT involved in the terrorism. The terrorists came to Iraq AFTER the invasion. He has angered, justifiably, many Muslim countries and people which has allowed the terrorist to recruit many more to their way of thinking.

Bush and Co have ignored Geneva Conventions; allowed the torture of prisoners of war; then allowed a few soldiers following order to take the fall for them.

[Guest eureka]

Perhaps you should ask Andrew Coyne for his definition of a liberal. Then think very hard about it: let it germinate in your brain for a few weeks and bring the resulting knowledge into the light of the real world.

That way, you may stop embarrassing yourself with such ludicrous distinctions as your above separation of liberals and "left wing" Canada.

[CdnRepublican]

Your post is just vitriol. Coyne would define a liberal in much the same way that most Canadians would. So what is your point. Is your point that Coyne is somehow inferior to yourself ? I would find that rather ludricous.

Canada is left wing - provide proof that it is not. High taxes, socialised health care, massive redistribution, protected markets, state owned media - these are the hallmarks of capitalism ?

Coyne's analysis is a good one and dispels the myths of who voted for Bush. Bush garnered more votes than anyone in history. This is a fact.

2004: Bush 58,390,139 (current, from CNN)

2000: Gore 50,996,582

1996: Clinton 45,590,703*

1992: Clinton 44,908,254*

1988: Bush 47,946,000

1984: Reagan 54,455,000

1980: Reagan 43,901,812

As for Caesar's argument that Iraq has made the world unstable i would assume this topic would have been dealt with at length and elsewhere.

Read the 9-11 commission and Duelfer reports. Iraq was vital part of the terrorist network. Understand the massive corruption at the UNO during the Oil for Food program where Hussein bought off the UN, Russia, France and China. It is absurd to state that the world is better off with Hussein and the Oil for Food scam which provided money to terrorists still in operation.

[caesar]

Read the 9-11 commission and Duelfer reports. Iraq was vital part of the terrorist network. Understand the massive corruption at the UNO during the Oil for Food program where Hussein bought off the UN, Russia, France and China. It is absurd to state that the world is better off with Hussein and the Oil for Food scam which provided money to terrorists still in operation.

IRAQ WAS NOT part of the terrorism. How far did you have to look for reports claiming it was.

The large weapons stores that the USA soldiers allowed to be carted off are what is killing young soldiers and other people there to rebuild Iraq.

Iraq had no

WMD and Saddam was not the only person living in Iraq. housands of Iraqis dies and were maimed on USA lies and fraudulent intelligence. The invasion of Iraq was planned well ahead of 9/11 and had nothing to do with terrorism. oil

[caesar]

08/06/03: (Information Clearing House) Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, one of the main architects for the war in Iraq, admitted for the first time that Iraq had nothing to do with the September 11 terrorist attacks, contradicting public statements made by senior White House and Pentagon officials whose attempt to link Saddam Hussein and the terrorist organization al-Qaeda was cited by the Bush administration as one of the main reasons for launching a preemptive strike in March against Iraq.

[caesar]

here's some more interesting reading:

http://www.hrw.org/doc/?t=usa

[Guest eureka]

What a bore it becomes. The same old monomaniacal drivel by red-eyed Republicans about liberals. You have not a clue as to what Socialism is; or what Liberalism is; or what Capitalism is, for that matter.

Andrew Coyne is a quite good writer who would be useful if his political eyes were not the same colour as yours. Your points about Canada are just silly and stem from obvious ignorance. Over and over again, I have gone through the "high tax" lie with people like you. It does not seem to matter. You all want only to believe what your radical neo-liberalism has told you to believe.

You are in for a rough ride if you keep pushing the prejudices-as-fact line to intelligent people.

[caesar]

All I am asking is for you to do what other members on this board do and take an opinion and atleast somewhat stick to it, or atleast not swich it 4 to 5 times a month

This is a dumb statement. What intelligence does it take to always keep the same opinion; never open your mind to the points made by the other sides or the proofs they provide. Just keep acting like a turtle and pull your head into your shell whenever some evidence makes a case against your closed minded point of view.

Nothing is black and white.

[CdnRepublican]

You 2 guys should tone it down. Relax. There are 4 pages of Iraq-Al Qaeda links in the 9-11 commission report. You seem to forget that 250.000 Iraqi's died in the 90s while France, the UN, Russia, China, Hussein and Terrorist groups made money, while the US and Britain incurred all the costs of containment. There is a slight immorality in your posturing that Iraq was not a part of the terror network and that somehow the world is better off under the old fascist regime. It funded terror from the 93 WTC bombing to Palestinian homicide bombers to the 98 East African bombings.

On Canada and taxes - 42 % of GDP is Government revenue with about 10 % more in indirect revenue for crown corps, regulatory bodies and public trusts. There are a litany of sources for these numbers. Many studies show that above 30 % of GDP the effect of taxation on the economy and jobs is highly negative. High taxes are counterproductive. There is little real dispute that Canada is left wing and reliant on government control - be it in health or in business. Whole economic sectors lie within government protection and regulation.

[Guest eureka]

You would seem to be a good candidate for an appaearance before a "Truth and Reconciliation" Committee. There are no such links between Iraq and Al Quaeda. That is no longer disputable and even Dubbya no longer claims them.

There are no studies showing that above 30% of Gdp, taxation is negative: there are claims that it is so by some like you. There are studies showing that it is not so. Sen dis the best known of these.

There is not a high tax regime in Canada - it should be higher in reality. Canada is at the lower end of OECD countries in taxation levels. What is known is that poverty is lower in the higher taxed countries; healthcare is better.

You also seem not to know the difference between taxes and revenues.

Your statement that "Canada is left wing and reliant on government control" is either an indication of stupidity or of a completely blinkered outlook. To say "there is litle dispute is simply incorrect. The opposite is the case. Canada does not come close to Socialism and has for a generation or more rejected Socialism.

Whole economic sectors do indeed come under government regulation and protection and regulation - thankfully. They do in every civl;ized society in the world, including your favourite one. Indeed the whole economy does as it has since the Industrial Revolution took flight.

You seem to forget that the American government supported and enforced sanctions in Iraq. You seem to forget that 100,000 Iraqis, mostly innocent civilians, have died while America while America invaded and occupied Iraq to wrest control of Iraqi oil from others. You seem to forget that America aided and supported Saddam as long as ot was convenient for their Middle East ambitions.

You seem to forget that American business interests are even now profiting from the blood of Iraqis and the suffering of elements of its own population that is deprived of Healthcare and Welfare to fund the business interests behind the Iraq debacle.

The immorility is all yours. And, Fascism is what you are promoting. The essence of your posts and of the Administration's rationalisations is scapegoating - the foundation of Fascist policies.

[August1991]

In Canada, all levels of government purchased 20.7% of GDP in 1996 (for current consumption or investment).

Fraser Institute on Taxes in Canada

I do not have stats readily at hand but I think US numbers are roughly similar.

CdnRep, do you think that number is too high or too low?

[caesar]

You 2 guys should tone it down. Relax. There are 4 pages of Iraq-Al Qaeda links in the 9-11 commission report. You seem to forget that 250.000 Iraqi's died in the 90s while France, the UN, Russia, China, Hussein and Terrorist groups made money, while the US and Britain incurred all the costs of containment

Well that little fiasco was set up by the USA lying to their good friend Saddam and egging on Kuwait to steal Iraqi oil. You should do a little research.

check out the road of death and how wonderful the USA was. Ramsey Clark former attorney general of the USA could open your eyes.

I hope the USA and Britain pay for the uncalled for damage they did this time.

They have been playing right into bin laden's plans whcih are to bankrupt the USA in the same way his organization bankrupted Russia abd led to its demise as a world power. Did you ever read the second part of his tapes posted in November. I believe him; I believe he is evil murdering innocent citizens but then Bush and co did the same.

[kimmy]

They have been playing right into bin laden's plans whcih are to bankrupt the USA in the same way his organization bankrupted Russia abd led to its demise as a world power.

Wait wait, Osama Bin Laden caused the fall of the Soviet Union?

That doesn't sound quite right....

-kimmy

[August1991]

Wait wait, Osama Bin Laden caused the fall of the Soviet Union?

That doesn't sound quite right....

I'm beginning to think that Maple Syrup logs on as Caesar whenever the LSD flashbacks kick in.

[Big Blue Machine]

This election wasn't rigged, Bush won fair and circle.