Derek 2.0 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Why is it that people who like to won guns are so freaked out at the idea of having to register them. That in itself gives a lot of people concern, as it should. I already told you several times......... While you think about that, look what Australia's gun laws have done for their gun crimes. Good example: In the seven years from 2005 to 2012, gun murders across Australia almost doubled. The incidence of guns used in kidnappings trebled. The total number of crimes in which a firearm was used rose from 823 in 2005, to 1217 in 2012, an increase of 47 per cent. Any yet, gun crimes in the United States have also been decreasing........... Edited March 29, 2015 by Derek 2.0 Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/14/america-mass-murder-australia-gun-control-saves-lives Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/14/america-mass-murder-australia-gun-control-saves-lives Your link, unlike mine, didn't prove what you suggested...............despite gun control laws, gun violence in Australia has increased And in the United States, despite the Assault Weapons Ban ending, firearms sales skyrocketing, and CCW permits increasing, gun homicides in the United States, over the last twenty years, has decreased by 49%...... Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 Your link, unlike mine, didn't prove what you suggested...............despite gun control laws, gun violence in Australia has increased And in the United States, despite the Assault Weapons Ban ending, firearms sales skyrocketing, and CCW permits increasing, gun homicides in the United States, over the last twenty years, has decreased by 49%...... You obviously didnt read the link. or have problems understanding or accepting things that refute your silly claims. Its quite clear tougher gun laws in Aus have reduced homicides by a quite large amount. But if you wish to ignore, then you become ignorant. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 You obviously didnt read the link. or have problems understanding or accepting things that refute your silly claims. Its quite clear tougher gun laws in Aus have reduced homicides by a quite large amount. But if you wish to ignore, then you become ignorant. No, I did read your link and it doesn't support your claim, nor refute the actual Australian gun crime statistics In the seven years from 2005 to 2012, gun murders across Australia almost doubled. The incidence of guns used in kidnappings trebled. The total number of crimes in which a firearm was used rose from 823 in 2005, to 1217 in 2012, an increase of 47 per cent. Numbers provided by the Australian Government........ Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2014/07/10/australia-gun-laws Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 There are all kinds of sources that show equal stats. Sorry if they debunk your position, but the numbers dont lie. Quote
Argus Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 I read your entire post....and though I disagreed with some of the philosophy I can say it was reasonable and logical....please continue to post in this manner. Gee, if you like that sort of posting style why don't you consider adopting it yourself at some point in the future? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 Sure Stop illegal guns at the border. No brainer. Not so fast, Sparky. There are Indians involved. Now what? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) We have more hoops here than in the US, and look at the difference in the gun violence stats. We have had lower gun violence than in the US since well before anyone even thought of a gun registry, since well before you even had to take a safety course before getting a firearms licence. Edited March 29, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 The US of course must be mentioned. Its an example of how not to deal with gun laws. Again, look at their laws and then their stats. You may be a Charlton Heston fan, but keep in mind he was in late stage dementia in the MM movie. Sane people should be, well...sane. The US gun laws are certainly AN issue, but hardly the major issue with regard to US gun crime. Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world. Most younger men are in the reserves and keep their military rifles at home. Yet gun violence there has absolutely no comparison to gun violence in the US. Gun violence in the US is much more related to a dysfunctional society than anything else. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 I already told you above.......Whats the problem with C-51? For many, the concern is privacy. Yes, because CSIS is desperately interested in the email chats people have about TV shows and hair styles and video games... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 Why is it that people who like to won guns are so freaked out at the idea of having to register them. T I own exactly 0 guns. I don't like the gun registry because, A, it used horribly inept software which had tons of bugs, and B., no one has been able to explain to me how it would be particularly useful in lowering crime. We spent over a billion dollars on that?! According to CBC it was closer to $2 billion! If you want to spend billions reducing gun crime spend it on border enforcement to halt smuggling, and on special sting squads to run down those who sell illegal firearms. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Derek 2.0 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 There are all kinds of sources that show equal stats. Sorry if they debunk your position, but the numbers dont lie. Then provide one, fore your source doesn't support your claim, nor refute my source with numbers provided by the actual Government. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 Yes, because CSIS is desperately interested in the email chats people have about TV shows and hair styles and video games... Without a doubt.......but the point is clear, some forms of encroachment on privacy are fascist (C-51), well others (gun registry) are acceptable because we register other things.......it appears clear as mud. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 We spent over a billion dollars on that?! According to CBC it was closer to $2 billion! If you want to spend billions reducing gun crime spend it on border enforcement to halt smuggling, and on special sting squads to run down those who sell illegal firearms. Better yet, park your sting squads on the outskirts of Indian Reserves in Southern Ontario and Quebec...... Quote
Argus Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Better yet, park your sting squads on the outskirts of Indian Reserves in Southern Ontario and Quebec...... Oooooo. You said the "I" word! Naughty naughty! Mustn't suggest any criminality on the part of our aboriginal landlords! Edited March 29, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Derek 2.0 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 Oooooo. You said the "I" word! Naughty naughty! Mustn't suggest any criminality on the part of our aboriginal landlords! It's clearly not politically correct......likewise my contention that if you wanted to further reduce (the very few) instances of gun crime and suicides with legally obtained firearms in Canada, you'd remove the clauses within the Firearms Act that allow a First Nations person applying for his/hers gun licence to waive much of the criminal and mental health background checks, in addition to character/witness interviews by the RCMP, with a letter from his chief or band council stating he/she needs a gun to hunt. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 Without a doubt.......but the point is clear, some forms of encroachment on privacy are fascist (C-51), well others (gun registry) are acceptable because we register other things.......it appears clear as mud. Its only you who has used the word fascist, the rest of us generally use more sensible terms such as unconstitutional. And yes we have become accustomed to registering certain dangerous articles we want to own, like cars and guns. Registering doesnt limit or right to acquire them. . Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 Its only you who has used the word fascist, the rest of us generally use more sensible terms such as unconstitutional. And yes we have become accustomed to registering certain dangerous articles we want to own, like cars and guns. Registering doesnt limit or right to acquire them. . C-51 doesn't limit your use of cellphones, emails, or internet search engines........so what's the problem? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 C-51 doesn't limit your use of cellphones, emails, or internet search engines........so what's the problem? It could make me a terrorist if I go out in protest of a pipeline through my backyard. You should actually read the bill before commenting on it. It turns out that the more people do study it, the more they dont want it. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 It could make me a terrorist if I go out in protest of a pipeline through my backyard. You should actually read the bill before commenting on it. It turns out that the more people do study it, the more they dont want it. I have read it......and nowhere in it does it infringe upon your ability to use cellphones or the internet for lawful usage. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 I have read it......and nowhere in it does it infringe upon your ability to use cellphones or the internet for lawful usage. If all you can comment on is cell phone useage you must not have red it, or understood it. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 If all you can comment on is cell phone useage you must not have red it, or understood it. No, I've read the entire legislation several times.........and personally find no cause for concern, and will continue will my regular usage of cellphones and the internet. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 29, 2015 Report Posted March 29, 2015 No, I've read the entire legislation several times.........and personally find no cause for concern, and will continue will my regular usage of cellphones and the internet. Well luckily the gov. is backing down on some of the most egregious parts of it. They still dont want anybody looking over their shoulder though. guess we will have to let the SC take care of the rest of it. Quote
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