Michael Hardner Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 it may get better results in the long term for them to be there. Maybe. Or you may not want them there either. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 This is what I'm thinking. White Men are always told how awful they are. It could be instructive to see some real world examples. What utter blindness. Do you really need some "real world examples" of racism and white privilege at work? If you were so interested in learning there's mountains of information out there for you about people's experiences with oppression. The ignorance here would be hilarious if it wasn't so cringeworthy. Quote
Boges Posted March 19, 2015 Author Report Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) What utter blindness. Do you really need some "real world examples" of racism and white privilege at work? If you were so interested in learning there's mountains of information out there for you about people's experiences with oppression. The ignorance here would be hilarious if it wasn't so cringeworthy. I'm not saying I would ever want to attend a meeting like this. But some might, and how are they wrong for it? It seems people are seen as racist if they aren't riddled with guilt over the racism of others. I kind of object to that, I'm just living my life the best way I can. I grew up in a Multicultural environment, my parents, though white, grew up in a place where they were the minority. So even as a WASP, I've experienced cultural prejudice. So I do understand issues of race and culture. I just don't know what to do about it other than dialogue and being friendly to everyone no matter who they are. But I'm sure the solution to others, like always, will be taxpayer money being spent to eradicate racism. Edited March 19, 2015 by Boges Quote
guyser Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 Maybe. Or you may not want them there either.And? Quote
cybercoma Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 I'm not saying I would ever want to attend a meeting like this. But some might, and how are they wrong for it? It seems people are seen as racist if they aren't riddled with guilt over the racism of others. I kind of object to that, I'm just living my life the best way I can. I grew up in a Multicultural environment, my parents, though white, grew up in a place where they were the minority. So even as a WASP, I've experienced cultural prejudice. So I do understand issues of race and culture. I just don't know what to do about it other than dialogue and being friendly to everyone no matter who they are. But I'm sure the solution to others, like always, will be taxpayer money being spent to eradicate racism. They're not wrong for wanting to attend the meeting. I'm sure they had the best intentions. But the point is that it was supposed to be a safe space for people to discuss painful situations. I'm sure you can see how some might be uncomfortable doing that around reporters that are from the group that has racialized them. Nobody is asking you to feel personally guilty, but it would certainly help if you showed a modicum of understanding and empathy. Quote
Boges Posted March 19, 2015 Author Report Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) Nobody is asking you to feel personally guilty, but it would certainly help if you showed a modicum of understanding and empathy. Sure, but I can't ignore the irony of racial prejudice being applied to a group discussing racism. If it was simply the fact that they were journalism students then fine, but then don't waste time asking if they have being "racialized". Because then that becomes the story. What if a student was Jewish? Does the prejudice they might have experienced count? Edited March 19, 2015 by Boges Quote
cybercoma Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 It wasn't applied. They were asked if they were racialized and responded no. Perhaps they would have been able to stay if they had something to offer to the group. Quote
cybercoma Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 What if a student was Jewish? Does the prejudice they might have experienced count? Since we're working with a hypothetical, then yes. Quote
Boges Posted March 19, 2015 Author Report Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) Since we're working with a hypothetical, then yes. How do you know? Jews aren't a racial minority. Edited March 19, 2015 by Boges Quote
cybercoma Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 How do you know? Jews aren't a racial minority. You asked a hypothetical question. I gave a hypothetical answer. I don't know. And neither do you. Quote
TimG Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) It wasn't applied. They were asked if they were racialized and responded no. Perhaps they would have been able to stay if they had something to offer to the group.That is called racial profiling: they were only asked because they were white. Brown skin people who have no experience being "racialized" would likely be welcome. Edited March 19, 2015 by TimG Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 And? And therefore you could ask them to not attend, with good reason. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 That is called racial profiling: they were only asked because they were white. Brown skin people who have no experience being "racialized" would likely be welcome. How do you know? Maybe they were asked because they were reporters. You're making assumptions to fit some silly white oppression narrative you have in your mind. Quote
Argus Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 That's just ridiculous. The Scottish Heritage society shouldn't have to let Japanese people in. How far do you expect these things to go ? They might not let them join but they wouldn't bar Japanese journalists from covering a meeting. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 What was left out of the op was this: "The Wednesday event, held in a small meeting room at the Ryerson Student’s Centre, was advertised as “a space to voice concerns and barriers affecting students of colour.” The meeting is designed to provide a 'safe place' for non-whites to discuss the racism they experience that are most likely not experienced by whites. I have a problem with the whole 'safe space' nonsense which is used by people who have a victim mentality. It's like they're so emotionally delicate they can't possibly feel 'safe' around certain other types of people - not certain individuals, but whole groups of people, be they men, whites, or whatever. So at the same time as they're whining about prejudice they're exhibiting it themselves. Now prejudice is a part of life, of course, but if you're going to be complaining about it you really should try not to be prejudiced too. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 That's a whole new level of blaming the victim there, denying them their option to gather together... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
TimG Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 That's a whole new level of blaming the victim there, denying them their option to gather together...You seem to think that everyone should automatically accept anyone who the self identifies as a "victim". This is unreasonable. Sometimes people claim to be victims when there are not really victims and pointing out this possibility is fair comment even if you disagree. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 This is unreasonable. Sometimes people claim to be victims when there are not really victims and pointing out this possibility is fair comment even if you disagree. You mean those poor journalists? Quote
TimG Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) You mean those poor journalists?Where did those journalists claim to be victims? They only commented on the irony of any anti-racism groups acting in racist ways. OTOH, anyone who claims to be "racialized" is way too obsessed with race and likely imagines racism when there is none more often than they actually experience it. Edited March 21, 2015 by TimG Quote
Argus Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 That's a whole new level of blaming the victim there, denying them their option to gather together... What victims? Whiny people who feel they're not 'safe' around others? Frankly, I'd suggest all such people simply leave Canada, maybe travel to Antarctica and live alone in an ice cave or something, where they can be 'safe'. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 What exactly did they think those journalists were going to do if they let them in? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 Frankly, I'd suggest all such people simply leave Canada, maybe travel to Antarctica and live alone in an ice cave or something, where they can be 'safe'. So, let's just get this straight. Women who are afraid of assault should leave Canada... and you who are afraid of terrorists don't want Muslims to come to Canada... It's so simple now that I see it. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Guest Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 Oh, they thought they were going to assault them. I missed that. Quote
Argus Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 So, let's just get this straight. Women who are afraid of assault should leave Canada... and you who are afraid of terrorists don't want Muslims to come to Canada... It's so simple now that I see it. Meh. I'm not even going to bother. I'm fed up with whiny people and their enablers. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bob Macadoo Posted March 21, 2015 Report Posted March 21, 2015 What exactly did they think those journalists were going to do if they let them in? Write about what a bunch of whiners they are.......maybe name names......all the things they were not wanting as a safe place. Go figure. Quote
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