On Guard for Thee Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 Well they already can read our emails as it is now. If someone has nothing to hide then I don't understand what the fear is. Plus if someone is sending sensitive emails they should be using an email that uses an encrypted security key. Bottom line is that we need new anti terror legislation that will protect Canada. We cannot simply wait for them to attack Canada then try to arrest whoever isn't dead. We need to stop these actions before they happen. I don't understand what you mean by the pablum comment. Anyways have a good one. There we go again with that silly old platitude about nothing to hide. That has long ago bee dismissed as laughable, so move on,maybe. Quote
jbg Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 This entire bill is an alarmist, the sky is falling reactionary bill. It's not as bad as Harper wants you to think it is. The bad men won't get you. I promise.I find that not allowing women to drive is reactionary. I find suppressing other people's religious beliefs to be reactionary. Do you find buring infidels alive is progressive? Beheadings? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Smallc Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 Get permission to protest from the very institution that you're protesting. Hilarious. Better that we just all ignore the laws and do what we want. It works in Somalia. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 Better that we just all ignore the laws and do what we want. It works in Somalia. What a ridiculous correlation. I bet you have ever been to Somalia have you. Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 Better that we just all ignore the laws and do what we want. It works in Somalia. We need laws in Canada and we need people to follow the laws of this country. I wouldn't like ti very much is Canada turned into a country like Somalia that is basically lawless. Canada is a great country but we are slowly losing our identity and turning into something unrecognizable. I bet you have ever been to Somalia have you. I don't understand what this means. Please rephrase this. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 We need laws in Canada and we need people to follow the laws of this country. I wouldn't like ti very much is Canada turned into a country like Somalia that is basically lawless. Canada is a great country but we are slowly losing our identity and turning into something unrecognizable. I don't understand what this means. Please rephrase this. We have laws in this country, and most people follow them. Quote
cybercoma Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 Better that we just all ignore the laws and do what we want. It works in Somalia.Democratic protests. Exactly like the lawlessness in countries without governments. What utter stupidity, man. Don't troll me with this garbage. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 Democratic protests. Exactly like the lawlessness in countries without governments. What utter stupidity, man. Don't troll me with this garbage. Amazing isnt it. If we dont support C51 we will become Somalia. I wonder if there actually are dolts in the CPC who actually believe that. Quote
Smallc Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 Democratic protests. Exactly like the lawlessness in countries without governments. So you mean protests that in fact aren't against the rules, as you tried to imply? You went over the top, so I responded by going even further over the top. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 So you mean protests that in fact aren't against the rules, as you tried to imply? You went over the top, so I responded by going even further over the top. What protests wouldnt be against the rules under C51 Quote
jacee Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) former-csis-officer-warns-new-federal-anti-terror-bill-will-lead-to-lawsuits-embarrassment The government has since signalled its intention to cut off debate on the bill at second reading (a motion was expected Monday night) after just three days of debate, though not before indicating its unwillingness to accept any amendments in committee. Even on the issue of improved oversight ... Mr. Lavigne [a former CSIS officer] said the prime ministers advisers must tell him that using inflammatory language increases the risk. When our leaders start talking about tentacles and jihadis and barbarians, its adding fuel to the fire. Its actually increasing the likelihood of that happening. Mr. Lavigne said the prime ministers language reminds him of fascist leaders like Mussolini and Franco. Some of these tactics are taken right out of the fascist playbook, he said. Create an enemy that is hard to identify. Make it an enemy that is nebulous and seems to be able to do things that nobody else can. Dont define the enemy. Just identify. Generate fear around that enemy, Then send out the message that the only people who can deal with this enemy are us. But the government isnt fascist, I said. Rhetoric aside, it is not crossing the line to fascist actions. He agrees. Theyre not crossing the line. Theyre using the language to appeal to the emotions, which is one of the first stages. Disinformation being the second, which I think they also use. But theyre not fascist. Im not saying the governments fascist. He laughs. "Don't detain me." He's on 'the list' now! And Harper will NOT make ANY amendments. Who are Harper's "advisors" ?? <crickets> Edited February 24, 2015 by jacee Quote
jacee Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) CSIS Actions under Bill C51 will undermine efforts to prevent radicalization. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/hamilton-s-muslim-community-praised-at-whitehouse-anti-terror-summit-1.2966290 Federal Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney boasted about Hamilton's Muslim community's active grassroots outreach approach to counteract radicalization of Muslims in remarks made in Washington, DC. While the pat on the back was welcomed by Hamilton's Muslim community, it also came at a time where the minister was promoting legislation that could wipe out years of community work with one visit from Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) operatives, says Hussein Hamdani, one of the founding members of the Canadian governments cross-cultural roundtable on national security. ... The reality is we are not going to be able to arrest our way out of this situation'. More ... hamilton-lawyer-saved-10-young-people-from-terror-extremism- . Edited February 24, 2015 by jacee Quote
PrimeNumber Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 I find that not allowing women to drive is reactionary. I find suppressing other people's religious beliefs to be reactionary. Do you find buring infidels alive is progressive? Beheadings? Women can legally drive in this country without this bill and where they could not, they still cannot with this bill. Surpressed religious beliefs will not change either. There are no infidels being buried alive or beheaded here and even if this bill became law it will not stop it happening anywhere else. To believe otherwise is naive. Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
Smallc Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 What protests wouldnt be against the rules under C51 Protests are completely legal. That's why cities even have permits for them! You don't have permits for illegal acts. Also, protests on most public land are perfectly okay, as long as they don't block access. Quote
jacee Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 I find that not allowing women to drive is reactionary. I find suppressing other people's religious beliefs to be reactionary. Do you find buring infidels alive is progressive? Beheadings? jbg I think that's trolling and very disrespectful of the importance of this discussion to Canadians. Just my opinion. . Quote
jacee Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) Protests are completely legal. That's why cities even have permits for them! You don't have permits for illegal acts. Also, protests on most public land are perfectly okay, as long as they don't block access.Cities have permits for parades, but protesters don't want them.Civil DISobedience is unlawful by nature and always must be. Protest cannot be constrained by some bureaucrat saying no to a permit. Canadians don't need anybody's permission and we will not submit to anyone's control over our right to assemble to express opposition to government and other actions. . Edited February 24, 2015 by jacee Quote
jbg Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 Women can legally drive in this country without this bill and where they could not, they still cannot with this bill. Surpressed religious beliefs will not change either. There are no infidels being buried alive or beheaded here and even if this bill became law it will not stop it happening anywhere else. To believe otherwise is naive.I find that not allowing women to drive is reactionary. I find suppressing other people's religious beliefs to be reactionary. Do you find buring infidels alive is progressive? Beheadings? I find that not allowing women to drive is reactionary. I find suppressing other people's religious beliefs to be reactionary. Do you find buring infidels alive is progressive? Beheadings?jbg I think that's trolling and very disrespectful of the importance of this discussion to Canadians.Just my opinion. . I think both of you are ignoring the reality of the current crop of terrorists' motivation. They are not comfortable with Western society. We are the enemy. They want to remake us. What I am saying is that there is nothing respectful of Canadian values in that at all. Just this morning's paper's article about a Saudi coiurt is illustrative (link to article, excerpts below): RIYADH — An Islamic court in Saudi Arabia has sentenced a man to death for renouncing his Muslim faith, the English-language daily Saudi Gazette reported on Tuesday. The man, in his 20s, posted an online video ripping up a copy of Islam's holy book, the Koran, and hitting it with a shoe, the newspaper reported. Saudi Arabia, the United States' top Arab ally and birthplace of Islam, follows the strict Wahhabi Sunni Muslim school and gives the clergy control over its justice system. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 Well they already can read our emails as it is now. If someone has nothing to hide then I don't understand what the fear is. This is a very dangerous line of thinking. But it can go the other way. Why does the government reject oversight? If they are not doing anything wrong, then I don't understand what the fear is. Plus if someone is sending sensitive emails they should be using an email that uses an encrypted security key. Already been happening for years. Bottom line is that we need new anti terror legislation that will protect Canada. We cannot simply wait for them to attack Canada then try to arrest whoever isn't dead. We need to stop these actions before they happen. Talk about reactionary. Quote
jacee Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 I think both of you are ignoring the reality of the current crop of terrorists' motivation. They are not comfortable with Western society. We are the enemy. They want to remake us. What I am saying is that there is nothing respectful of Canadian values in that at all. Just this morning's paper's article about a Saudi coiurt is illustrative (link to article, excerpts below): RIYADH An Islamic court in Saudi Arabia has sentenced a man to death for renouncing his Muslim faith, the English-language daily Saudi Gazette reported on Tuesday. The man, in his 20s, posted an online video ripping up a copy of Islam's holy book, the Koran, and hitting it with a shoe, the newspaper reported. Saudi Arabia, the United States' top Arab ally and birthplace of Islam, follows the strict Wahhabi Sunni Muslim school and gives the clergy control over its justice system. OK we'll send Harper and CSIS over there. Generalized Muslim - hating is not welcome here. Just my opinion Quote
jacee Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 Why does the government reject oversight? If they are not doing anything wrong, then I don't understand what the fear is. Frame that. . Quote
GostHacked Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 Frame that. . Sometimes the hard questions need to be asked. Quote
jacee Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 Sometimes the hard questions need to be asked. It's a very good question. Mind if I quote elsewhere? . Quote
GostHacked Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 It's a very good question. Mind if I quote elsewhere? . I don't hold the copyright on it. Quote
jacee Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 I don't hold the copyright on it. No you might not want to in HarperLand. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 Protests are completely legal. That's why cities even have permits for them! You don't have permits for illegal acts. Also, protests on most public land are perfectly okay, as long as they don't block access. There is were you are allowing the wool to be pulled over your eyes. Protests will only be legal if you have a permit that says they are legal. Again, carry a poster down the street about a pipeline and you are a terrorist. Quote
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