Argus Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 Good thing is we pretty much dont, and defintely not any that sefl identify as such. I'm sure she doesn't identify herself as an extremist. And it's true that the media has seized on the word as a replacement for 'terrorist' which they don't like to use. Ia musing the term in the framework of how far her beliefs deviate from the mainstream in Canada. Given they make Evangelical Christians seem like flaming radical lefties by comparison, I consider her extreme. And she followed that with........ (insert the important part here) Moving to a place with a better economic outlook. That hardly suggests she has abandoned her religious based beliefs. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled strawmen yearning to breathe free" I'm not sure how you equate that to "bring me your fanatical Muslims yearning to bring about Sharia law and a new Caliphate" Because in truth, you don't like white supremacists because of their social values and views. Yet these people have social values and views which can be even worse than that of White supremacists. Edited March 25, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 Because in truth, you don't like white supremacists because of their social values and views. Yet these people have social values and views which can be even worse than that of White supremacists. "can be" ... Anything "can be" anything. I don't think it's a problem either way. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
On Guard for Thee Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 I'm not sure how you equate that to "bring me your fanatical Muslims yearning to bring about Sharia law and a new Caliphate" Because in truth, you don't like white supremacists because of their social values and views. Yet these people have social values and views which can be even worse than that of White supremacists. I think we know who is actually being fanatical here when you try to stretch the idea that the wishes of a woman to follow her tradition regardig an article clothing is about to overthrow our government. Quote
TimG Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) I don't think it's a problem either way.So you take the libertarian view: opinions or attitudes should never be a criteria used to deny entry to Canada even if these opinions are extreme examples of bigotry or intolerance. Are you sure there are no exceptions to that rule that you would justify? Edited March 25, 2015 by TimG Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 25, 2015 Report Posted March 25, 2015 So you take the libertarian view: opinions or attitudes should never be a criteria used to deny entry to Canada even if these opinions are extreme examples of bigotry or intolerance. Are you sure there are no exceptions to that rule that you would justify? That sounds more like Orwellian thought police than libertarianism. Quote
Argus Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 I think we know who is actually being fanatical here when you try to stretch the idea that the wishes of a woman to follow her tradition regardig an article clothing is about to overthrow our government. Did I suggest she was going to overthrow the government? I merely remarked how interesting it is that those on the left are so zealous in defense of 'a tradition' which includes wife beating, the murder of homosexuals, and a variety of brutal, misogynistic, and racist beliefs. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) So you take the libertarian view: opinions or attitudes should never be a criteria used to deny entry to Canada even if these opinions are extreme examples of bigotry or intolerance. Are you sure there are no exceptions to that rule that you would justify? He has basically said previously he doesn't believe there should be any limits on immigration. He can correct me if I overstate the case. Canada is just a piece of ground and the more people who come here the better, from wherever they want and for whatever reason. Edited March 26, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 He has basically said previously he doesn't believe there should be any limits on immigration. He can correct me if I overstate the case. Canada is just a piece of ground and the more people who come here the better, from wherever they want and for whatever reason. Within the law. . Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 Did I suggest she was going to overthrow the government? I merely remarked how interesting it is that those on the left are so zealous in defense of 'a tradition' which includes wife beating, the murder of homosexuals, and a variety of brutal, misogynistic, and racist beliefs. Yes you did. You suggested a new caliphate. You also, once again make the assumption that people who wear a niqab are terrorists. You should give that up. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 Did I suggest she was going to overthrow the government? I merely remarked how interesting it is that those on the left are so zealous in defense of 'a tradition' which includes wife beating, the murder of homosexuals, and a variety of brutal, misogynistic, and racist beliefs. A niqab and sharia law are very different. I'm not what wearing a veil has to do with the other things you mention above, most of which are illegal in Canada anyways. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Michael Hardner Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 So you take the libertarian view: opinions or attitudes should never be a criteria used to deny entry to Canada even if these opinions are extreme examples of bigotry or intolerance. Are you sure there are no exceptions to that rule that you would justify? Well, we already screen for these attitudes as far as that goes. Previously, people here have stated that questions about attitudes aren't enough to keep people out. He has basically said previously he doesn't believe there should be any limits on immigration. He can correct me if I overstate the case. Canada is just a piece of ground and the more people who come here the better, from wherever they want and for whatever reason. Yes, that's what I think generally. There's a double standard about allowing people to leave a country, or enter a country. Money, or people with money can come and go as they please ... jobs can go but the people who do them can't follow the jobs if they do. I think people should be allowed to live and travel wherever they want. Of course there are practical problems around free immigration that would have to be addressed. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 A niqab and sharia law are very different. I'm not what wearing a veil has to do with the other things you mention above, most of which are illegal in Canada anyways. Do you imagine anyone who wears a niqab does not support Sharia law? Really?! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Well, wYes, that's what I think generally. There's a double standard about allowing people to leave a country, or enter a country. Money, or people with money can come and go as they please ... jobs can go but the people who do them can't follow the jobs if they do. I think people should be allowed to live and travel wherever they want. Of course there are practical problems around free immigration that would have to be addressed. I'm sure Canada would be a much better place to live with a few million more of these gentlemen here http://www.inquisitr.com/1584717/christian-couple-killed-and-cremated-by-angry-muslim-mob-for-allegedly-desecrating-koran/ Edited March 26, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 I'm sure Canada would be a much better place to live with a few million more of these gentlemen here http://www.inquisitr.com/1584717/christian-couple-killed-and-cremated-by-angry-muslim-mob-for-allegedly-desecrating-koran/ Well, assuming you're being sarcastic, which you are, then there are lots of people we wouldn't want to have here especially by the millions. I don't think I want millions of anything imported. Is there a reverse Godwin's law ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 Well, assuming you're being sarcastic, which you are, then there are lots of people we wouldn't want to have here especially by the millions. I don't think I want millions of anything imported. Is there a reverse Godwin's law ? Did you not admit you wanted the free flow of people? What kind of people do you imagine most want to come here? They are the people that live in miserable hellholes, and those places are generally miserable hellholes in large part because of the people who live there. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 Yes you did. You suggested a new caliphate. I suggested a caliphate? Cite please. You also, once again make the assumption that people who wear a niqab are terrorists. Cite please. Or is your ability to discuss issues so vanishingly small that you can only attack positions you make up yourself? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 Did you not admit you wanted the free flow of people? What kind of people do you imagine most want to come here? They are the people that live in miserable hellholes, and those places are generally miserable hellholes in large part because of the people who live there. Let's recap: The thread is about a woman who won the right to wear her niqab during the oath of citizenship. You say 'people like her' shouldn't be allowed to come to Canada ... because some poser Muslim thugs in some other country killed some Christians ... ? Have I got that right? A poser protestant Christian killed a lot of people in Norway. Should we stop allowing Christians to immigrate to Canada? . Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 I suggested a caliphate? Cite please. Cite please. Or is your ability to discuss issues so vanishingly small that you can only attack positions you make up yourself? You always seem to get a little testy when youre arguments begin to fail. Quote
Argus Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) You always seem to get a little testy when youre arguments begin to fail. No, I get testy when people deliberately make things up and then attribute it to me. I'm waiting for those cites. Edited March 26, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 Let's recap: The thread is about a woman who won the right to wear her niqab during the oath of citizenship. You say 'people like her' shouldn't be allowed to come to Canada ... because some poser Muslim thugs in some other country killed some Christians ... ? Have I got that right? No, as you know full well. What I'm saying is that we implement standards in immigration which do their best to keep undesirable elements out. And one of those undesirable elements would certainly be religious fanatics. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 Did you not admit you wanted the free flow of people? That I did. What kind of people do you imagine most want to come here? They are the people that live in miserable hellholes, and those places are generally miserable hellholes in large part because of the people who live there. Then why do they want to leave ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
guyser Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 Moving to a place with a better economic outlook. That hardly suggests she has abandoned her religious based beliefs.I was hoping you would paste the next sentence, the one where she says she didnt want the separation of sexes in Canada as in Pakistan.....to you know.....make your statement more accurate instead of jerry picking. Quote
Argus Posted March 26, 2015 Report Posted March 26, 2015 I was hoping you would paste the next sentence, the one where she says she didnt want the separation of sexes in Canada as in Pakistan.....to you know.....make your statement more accurate instead of jerry picking. She said she was not seeking it. That doesn't mean she wouldn't be happy to see it happen. If she believed in it in Pakistan she'd believe in it here. That hasn't changed. We know what the belief system is of extremely religious Muslims. There's not a lot of mystery there. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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