Is anti-Zionism really anti-Semitism?

[guyser]

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Thats about the most anyone can say without our resident word twister putting more things in more mouths that never were said.

Pretty stupid, but it carries on incessantly.

[Hudson Jones]

Eye just once, once try have the decency to understand you are in no position to tell holocaust survivors where they should have lived. You know damn well you would never live next door to the person who killed your family.

Let me put it in terms you can understand. You want to play tough guy Eye, take off your cage and helmet.

The holocaust survivor's ordeal is not a justification to steal another group of people's land. Being Jewish and victim of the holocaust shouldn't trump human rights and international law.

[jacee]

Eye just once, once try have the decency to understand you are in no position to tell holocaust survivors where they should have lived.

How about where they can't live?

Illegal settlements in Palestine!

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[Rue]

The decision by Hudson Jones to take this thread and the other and engage in holocaust inversion speaks for itself. His agenda is there for all to see. It is about demonizing Jews and invoking the despair of the holocaust to insult them for wanting to exist as free citizens never again worrying about a a government shipping them off to death.

Its so blatant as well. It clearly shows how Jones will use the pain of the holocaust as an insult to say to Jews, how dare you expect a refuge just because you were the victims of genocide. Who do you Jews think you are.

Yah got it. Been there. The hatred, the venom under the pretext of discussing Zionism. Sure.

Let's just switch the topic he was unable to actually debate with me to the baiting of holocaust survivors.

Again he defocuses from his original allegations.

He still has not provided his methodology to explain how he came to the conclusion Jews wanting to live in a free state made their thoughts cancerous but he now displays a blatant form of discrimination against Jews suggesting they have no right to universal sufferage why because as he has invoked, victims of genocide if they are Jews should not have a state, but as he said in the other thread if they are Gaza citizens, then they do have a right to a state, just not Jews.

Now of course the game is for me to call it ant-semitic and suddenly a flurry of responses from"others" depicting his hated as reasonable.

The tactic is spent.

Go on them ,come back on the board now and state how holocaust inversion is reasonable.. Start a thread then that Zionists use the holocaust to shame people and tricked the world into obtaining a Jew state. Like that thesis has never been presented on this forum.

[Hudson Jones]

The decision by Hudson Jones to take this thread and the other and engage in holocaust inversion speaks for itself.

Looks like you're speaking for me again.

A rape victim can't start raping others and try to justify the rapes because he/she was a victim once. Being a holocaust victim is one of the justifications that Zionism has been using for decades in order to continue to violate another groups' rights as humans.

[Rue]

I don't speak for you Hudson Jones, you do that quite well for yourself and again in your latest response demonstrate holocaust inversion only this time you switch your references from the holocaust victim (holocaust survivor's ordeal) and Jews (being Jewish and a victim of the holocaust) in post 77 to "Zionism" in post 80/.

You prove exactly how under the pretext of challenging Zionism, or Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state, you will engage in holocaust inversion, and references that slur Jews, Israelis and holocaust survivors.

I would contend your latest response shows when you got caught slurring holocaust survivors and Jews you switched the focus of your hatred from Jews and holocaust survivors to the word Zionist because you can't deny what you did so you think if you change the reference midstream, no one will notice. Then in future threads you will of course use post 80 to focus attention away from post 77 so as to deny what you said in 77. Oh I get the tactic. Been there and done that with you, many times.

Hudson Jones, you keep demonstrating your agenda is not to debate Israeli state policies, but in fact is an agenda to question the right of Jews to exist as Jews in a Jewish state and when doing that, will accuse Jews and holocaust survivors of being Nazis, or as you phrase it rape victims who became rapists.

In your world if a Palestinian wants a state, that is only fair, but if a Jew wants one, the holocaust disqualifies them and makes them Nazis and rapists for wanting a stae.

Oh I get it.

Now you make yet another false allegation that purposely insults Jews and holocaust survivors and Israeis lumping them all as rapists. Got it.

So will you back it up this latest slur or is it going to be another Zionism is cancer allegation with zero basis for how you concluded that Zionism is cancerous.

Go on Hudson Jones I am still waiting for your methodology that determined Zionist thoughts cause cancer. Still waiting.

Now you make another false allegation in post 80. Will you back it up too ?Lol.

Go on Hudson Jones, provide the Zionist doctrine you claimed in post 80 that exists that says Zionism says use one's status as a holocaust survivor to violate another group's rights..

Go on show where any Zionist doctrine states use a Jew's holocaust status to justify violating "another group's rights".

Provide the document.

Go on then, show it.

Provide the document,

Is that it Hudson Jones?

That's the best you have at this point-demonstrating you are hateful against Jews, so hateful you throw the holocaust in their face in a deliberately negative way to slur their motives, their reputations their desire to live as free men and women?

Lol. Who you an anti-Semite? No.

Yep all them Jew holocaust survivors, they had nothing better to do then take their tattooed sorry asses and go violate other groups' rights.

Yes sir, them there Jew holocaust survivors are rapists..

Never heard that before.

All anyone has to do is type holocaust inversion into a search engine to see the anti semitic tactic you use and that is what it is , blatant hateful anti Semitism at its worst-hatred manifested and expressed in your words towards Jews because they survived and created a country.

Edited February 4, 2015 by Rue

[jacee]

Israel is a state, Rue.

Nobody's denying that.

Palestine is a state too.

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[Rue]

What was that Jacee? You think if you ignore the crap that passes off on this thread it isn't there? You read what he wrote.

One other thing. I think if you actually take a look at where the holocaust survivors live in Israel you would understand they live in Tel Aviv,Jerusalem and some kibbutzim. Very few if any live in the settlements.

As well if you want to discuss the settlement issue and criticize settlements that is fair game. No one said it is not. Using the holocaust to slur Jews, Israelis, liken them to rapists and Nazis and then using that as a pretext to question Israel's right to exist as a state, well you know damn well that is another ball game.

How about you? You want to provide an ocology report and explanation on how Zionism causes cancer? Or you want to provide a Zionist document that says holocaust survivors should use their despair from the past to justify breaking laws? Be my guest.

How long does this forum get trashed by these pointless never ending insults that do not discuss peaceful solutions?

Just how many times does Hudson Jones need to come on this forum and repeat the same retreaded Zionism is cancer Nazism b.s.?

You think its salient...defend it, but don't respond ignoring it and trying to change the issue to something I have never disagreed with you on.

I have stated from the get go settlements are an obstacle to peace and they create major and legal issues that exasperate tensions. I have also said unlike you, that it is idiotic to talk about telling Israel to withdraw to 1967 borders while terrorists remain armed on its borders with weapons and missiles and a charter vowing to kill not just every one in Israel but Jews worldwide.

In your responses you won't discuss there is cause and effect and you pretend as if Israel for no reason responds to Hamas. You won't acknowledge that Hamas initiates, Israel responds and the people of Palestine and Israel get caught in between.

In your world only Israel does wrong. Hell even the Palestinian Authority has stated it can't go to the ICC and paint itself as a victim if Hamas engages in actions that cause Israel to retaliate .Even the PA states what I have presented to you as a legal reality-that even if Israel is criticized for using excessive force, it has the right to defend itself from Hamas.

Good luck if you think the ICC or anyone will be able to define what is acceptable force when defending against terrorists. You of course have this selective criteria that any response from Israel is wrong. The world does not. Even when it criticizes Israel's responses it has to couch them with the inevitable reference to Israel's right to defend itself.

Tell me did the world piss its pants over Russian response to Chechnyan Muslim extremism or China's responses to Muslim extremism within its country?

Where were you when Hamas was bombing Fatah homes in Gaza and randomly killing anyone it suspected of being a Fatah member. Were you writing in decrying such bombings as excessive force? Of course not.

Get back to me when your script handler allows you to say something other then Israel poo poo ka ka.

[GostHacked]

Well at least Rue is trying to be civil. It's a start.

[jacee]

[jacee]

Get back to me when your script handler allows you to say something other then Israel poo poo ka ka.

Telll you what, Rue:

You can hold me accountable for and respond to what I say, but not what others say, and not your own poo poo ka ka.

And all Israelis can hold their government and military accountable for their actions.

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Edited February 7, 2015 by jacee