Assisted Suicide in Canada.

[guyser]

I totally agree with you on this. Seriously it's like we're sharing a brain.

Yea...thats pretty much true I guess.

Someone owes me a new keyboard.

[guyser]

They transplanted several brains, and brain tissue already.

By any chance, did you get one? Ya know, to share with lemonloaf?

Got a link for any...any at all...even close to it...brain transplants?

One worked, on dogs,for nine days

Never done on a human.

Your belief is out of date.

And your belief is pure bullshit. No other way of saying it.

It is both possible and has happened. Educate yourself else you are lying to the world.

And China has more freedoms than Canada.

Sun rises in the west.

The Leafs will not only make the playoffs, but win the cup....THIS YEAR !

[overthere]

The Leafs will not only make the playoffs, but win the cup....THIS YEAR !

Ummm they wouldn't call it assisted suicide for you, it would be a mercy killing. Those hallucinations.......

[guyser]

Ummm they wouldn't call it assisted suicide for you, it would be a mercy killing. Those hallucinations.......

If a brain can be transplanted, then they can transplant the thought the Leafs can win it all baby...Right effing now!

But yea....a mercy killing is what they need. NBut judging from the sell off, they are kiiling themsleves slowly.

[LemonPureLeaf]

Yea...thats pretty much true I guess.

Someone owes me a new keyboard.

Why does someone owe you a new keyboard Guyser2?

[LemonPureLeaf]

Certainly sounds like you are sharing a brain. Some of us are lucky enough to hae one each. Suicide has not been illegal in Canada for decades.

Ok. If someone wants to kill themselves that has little to do with me unless someone is planning murder/suicide...lol.

Well, I just hope that the government can draw up a reasonable law that will protect doctors as well as help the patient get what they think they need. I would hope that some sort of counseling would be included in any decision before the death is actually carried out.

Edited February 26, 2015 by LemonPureLeaf

[On Guard for Thee]

Ok. If someone wants to kill themselves that has little to do with me unless someone is planning murder/suicide...lol.

Well, I just hope that the government can draw up a reasonable law that will protect doctors as well as help the patient get what they think they need. I would hope that some sort of counseling would be included in any decision before the death is actually carried out.

Under the constraints of what the SC has laid down, someone deciding to request assistance will already have been provided all medical science has to offer to no success. A tough situation no doubt, but one that occurs regularly.

[nerve]

By any chance, did you get one? Ya know, to share with lemonloaf?Got a link for any...any at all...even close to it...brain transplants?One worked, on dogs,for nine daysNever done on a human.And your belief is pure bullshit. No other way of saying it.And China has more freedoms than Canada.Sun rises in the west.The Leafs will not only make the playoffs, but win the cup....THIS YEAR !

There are tons, try Google with search terms

Brain transplant

Head transplant

The above and

China

Italy

United states

The stuff was going on in the 60s and 70s both by us doctors and the soviets.

Soviets transplanted multiple animal heads some 50 years ago.

Science has progressed quite abit since then.

If you are still unable to find info after going through he top 10 pages of Google with the search terms, I will supply you with some medical journals.

Here is one link to start you off

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/10154240/First-human-head-transplant-now-possible-neurosurgeon-claims.html

Edited February 26, 2015 by nerve

[guyser]

Oh lord, we gots a winner here.

There are tons, try Google with search terms

Way past that nerve. LOL

There are tons are there...funny, your own link has the headline...

'First human head transplant now possible'

Note the use of First.

And theres been tons? :lol:

Edited February 26, 2015 by Guyser2

[webc5]

It could be legal why are we getting on people's liberties?

[Black Dog]

If you have terminal cancer or liver disease they will drug you out so you cannot say goodbye to your family or anything. Terrible. My father passed in this fashion which is why I'm so against it. They basically keep you in a drug induced coma until you die. No thank you. I want to face death.

Which is exactly what people in favour of assisted suicide/death with dignity are doing.

I wonder how many young children will be put to death by these doctors....makes me afraid for any child who has a terminal sickness. Doctors killing children is not what we need in this country.

I'm gonna take a guess and say....zero. Yeah, zero sounds about right.

[On Guard for Thee]

Which is exactly what people in favour of assisted suicide/death with dignity are doing.

I'm gonna take a guess and say....zero. Yeah, zero sounds about right.

I think you are pretty close with that estimate since the ruling clearly states you must be a competent adult to request assistance.

[Black Dog]

I think you are pretty close with that estimate since the ruling clearly states you must be a competent adult to request assistance.

Well, some people just live in permanent fear of the slippery slope. They're called "CPC voters."

[Hydraboss]

I'm going to add my two cents here and then just sit back.

1) I am in 100% support of assisted death in the cases the SCC spoke of. This is not murder, it is dignity. It already happens, so it's time to make it legal.

2) The "death machine-like pump" that people keep referring to is a PCA (patient-controlled analgesic pump). It is NOT given to anyone to help end their life (it absolutely could be, but that's illegal); it is given to ease pain. The pumps are pre programmed to administer ONLY what the doctor has ordered as a medication dose and cannot be changed by anyone without a key (and those keys are very, very controlled). The patient can push the button as many times as they'd like but the pump is locked on a maximum timed-dose frequency and will not release any meds until the timer expires (this can be set to whatever the doctor orders - 5min, 30min, 6 hours, etc). One of the downfalls of the units is in cases like bone cancer where the maximum allowable dose is not enough to control the pain and any increase would be fatal - this is where new legislation is needed.

For the record, ending your life is the most simple of functions if you happen to be in a hospital setting. There is potassium pretty much everywhere on any normal unit (especially the ICUs) as they have to keep it handy for diabetic emergency. An IV injection of K will stop things pretty quickly (it's why they use KCl in executions) and if injected into an IV line (especially a central), it would cause almost immediate death and there would be absolutely no trace of the injection. The interesting thing is the human body releases a huge portion of it's cellular potassium immediately after death so it's nearly impossible to track - medical examiners use potassium content to determine time of death so that would show a false reading. No proof of "assistance".

Before her death, I know my wife had agreements with several other nurses to make damn sure they would not have to stay in the condition that they usually see their patients in ICU (and believe me, most critical care nurses have the same "pacts" with someone - maybe not brand new nurses, but any that have been around a while do). This was unnecessary because I was there to make the final decision, but her friends would have made certain that her final wishes were carried out regardless. She had made that decision years before and I am dumbfounded that any legal system anywhere would try to assume the right to force her to continue living in the state she was in.

She was 39 and deserved to pass away with dignity. And she did.

[Black Dog]

Thanks for sharing, Hydraboss.

[LemonPureLeaf]

Suicide is the cowards way out. Enough said.

[Hydraboss]

I applaud your knowing when to quit talking.

[nerve]

Oh lord, we gots a winner here.

Way past that nerve. LOL

There are tons are there...funny, your own link has the headline...

Note the use of First.

And theres been tons? :lol:

There be other stuff with brains Guyser.

Biologicals system arnt that different between species, these are small percentages.

What this amounts to is killing people is more palatable than providing a means for them to be cured of their illness. That is the wrong position.

We should let the willing have their head tried to be transplanted, in the end there aint nothing to loose over the worse position.

I am not going to show you things that don't exist but I will present better policy.

I have confidence doctors will eventually get a hang of the procedure.

The other party to this is that we should pay people to be organ donors at death.

That is the shame as one body can provide lots of life so we should make sure failed operations facilitate reharvest.

This could also allow for the term to be harvested if meds don't make the organs and blood and skin etc ... Unusable.

This will deaden the selfishness of suicide through giving life.

Canada will spend upwards of 140 million bombing people in Iraq but it won't invest the same in saving 10 or 20 lives in Canada with the same money, that is a shame.

Canada has a gov that would rather have its citizens kill themselves than stop assassinating others overseas, that is a shame.

Edited February 26, 2015 by nerve

[guyser]

There be other stuff with brains Guyser.

Are you sharing your brain with lemonloafer?

Funny, no mention that there has never been a transplant but a lot of words below saying really nothing much of value I am afraid.

Well except this part.

We should let the willing have their head tried to be transplanted, in the end there aint nothing to loose over the worse position.

Its been tried before and immortalized in the movie Dumb and Dumber.

Pretty bird...pretty bird.

'You sold him Petey?'

[nerve]

Are you sharing your brain with lemonloafer?Funny, no mention that there has never been a transplant but a lot of words below saying really nothing much of value I am afraid.Well except this part.Its been tried before and immortalized in the movie Dumb and Dumber.Pretty bird...pretty bird.'You sold him Petey?'

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Nah they've done dogs monkeys mice, you know the typical stuff. It isn't different than other transplants. Sad truth.

It ain't perfect but it could be improved a lot if govs let them get onto it. They are holding back the science of cloning and in general they shun the idea of the implications of immortality or greatly extended life.

Bad ethics is not providing the cure and suggesting people kill themselves instead.

They dont want replaceable bodies and vat grown human spares. That is the problem, they want people to die.

100 years ago heart transplants were viewed the same way. Thee move the arm on the clock on this one.

Edited February 26, 2015 by nerve

[guyser]

P

Nah they've done dogs monkeys mice, you know the typical stuff.

Link please.

Good luck with that.

It isn't different than other transplants. Sad truth.

Apart from NEVER been done ? Ya...not much diff.

[nerve]

Link please.Good luck with that.Apart from NEVER been done ? Ya...not much diff.

Read the Google links I already gave you the search terms for, do your own research.

If you want to keep yourself ignorant that is your choice.

Edited February 26, 2015 by nerve

[guyser]

Read the Google links I already gave you the search terms for, do your own research.

I did

None of them back you up.

And while youre at it, gor read the rules, you said it you back it up.

If you want to keep yourself ignorant that is your choice.

Oh please, you havent the slightest idea what you are talking about.

[overthere]

Thanks for sharing Hydraboss.

I know of other situations where arrangements have been quietly made.

It was not a question of legality since the arrangements were technically criminal, but simple humanity and compassion.

[On Guard for Thee]

I applaud your knowing when to quit talking.

Hear! hear!