Who pays for post secondary education?

[TimG]

You seem to think that single parents have no problem with the current system and that is unfair.

Two wrongs don't make right. You don't deliberately make the system worse in order to ensure that everyone has equal access to a worse system. You should be looking for ways to make the system better while providing support those that need it.

That said, free daycare is a non-starter. As we see in Quebec such a system is not sustainable in the long run and a lot of the benefits go to well off people who know how to work the system.

Edited December 30, 2014 by TimG

[Wilber]

It isn't attainable for all who qualify academically.

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That can be work on but making it completely free is not a good idea IMO.

[WestCoastRunner]

That said, free daycare is a non-starter. As we see in Quebec such a system is not sustainable in the long run and a lot of the benefits go to well off people who know how to work the system.

Are you kidding me? Free daycare goes a long way towards help for single parent individuals who are trying to obtain post-secondary education.

[TimG]

Are you kidding me? Free daycare goes a long way towards help for single parent individuals who are trying to obtain post-secondary education.

Sure. But any system will have limits and any benefit will be exploited by people who can. i.e. people who don't care about an education but take easy courses to get free daycare. These people would take many of the "free daycare" slots from people who honestly wanted an education. The end result you will still have plenty of single parents who end up with no support. Edited December 30, 2014 by TimG

[WestCoastRunner]

Sure. But any system will have limits and any benefit will be exploited by people who can. i.e. people who don't care about an education but in easy courses to get free daycare. These people would take many of the "free daycare" slots from people who honestly wanted an education. The end result you will still have plenty of single parents who end up with no support.

Then, we need to implement a system to weed out those people who are seeking free daycare who do not want an education. Honesty, I don't see this as being a major problem.

[TimG]

Then, we need to implement a system to weed out those people who are seeking free daycare who do not want an education. Honesty, I don't see this as being a major problem.

And it should be handled by the existing system for bursaries. Perhaps by creating a special category for single parents without extended family support.

[WestCoastRunner]

And it should be handled by the existing system for bursaries. Perhaps by creating a special category for single parents without extended family support.

Maybe so.

[jacee]

Sure. But any system will have limits and any benefit will be exploited by people who can. i.e. people who don't care about an education but take easy courses to get free daycare.

That's absolutely ridiculous.

(But one thing I have learned in life is that lowlifes who have no scruples about scamming the system will always accuse others of being scammers. )

We are talking about single parents who are going to school so they can get a job to support their families.

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Edited December 30, 2014 by jacee

[jacee]

And it should be handled by the existing system for bursaries. Perhaps by creating a special category for single parents without extended family support.

There aren't enough bursaries for everyone who qualifies.

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[Keepitsimple]

And it should be handled by the existing system for bursaries. Perhaps by creating a special category for single parents without extended family support.

That would certainly be orders of magnitude cheaper - and more effective - than providing "free" tuition for everyone and thus penalizing the hordes of people who would be unable to get into the classes that they require to get their degrees in a timely fashion. One need look no farther than our Medicare system to understand how something that is "free" results in rationing.

[Keepitsimple]

That's absolutely ridiculous.

We are talking about single parents who are going to school so they can get a job to support their families.

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The unfortunate reality of single parents and education is that far too many of them are lacking the academic qualifications to further their education....and a good number are high-school drop-outs - which is a major contributor to poor choices that lead to single parenthood in the first place.

[Smallc]

That would certainly be orders of magnitude cheaper - and more effective - than providing "free" tuition for everyone and thus penalizing the hordes of people who would be unable to get into the classes that they require to get their degrees in a timely fashion. One need look no farther than our Medicare system to understand how something that is "free" results in rationing.

That's why I've changed my opinion on universal healthcare. It should always remain, but should contain pay per use fees (at first entry to the system) to dissuade overuse. There is already a system to reimburse poor people for said fees so that could be used here as well.

[cybercoma]

Not at all. Scholarships, loans and bursuries exist to ensure equal access.

Those combined with the financial burden ensure that anyone who's rich gets in, while anyone who is poor, has to navigate worse schools (in the US anyway) leading up to university and worse opportunities to begin with, while competing for a limited number of scholarships and bursaries in the hopes that they can afford a higher education, despite their ability.

[TimG]

Those combined with the financial burden ensure that anyone who's rich gets in, while anyone who is poor, has to navigate worse schools (in the US anyway) leading up to university and worse opportunities to begin with, while competing for a limited number of scholarships and bursaries in the hopes that they can afford a higher education, despite their ability.

So your solution is to increase equality by making things worse for everyone? Don't see the logic in that.

BTW: I have already noted that the US system is insane. You can't distort the market by providing loans to students if you don't also control the tuition charged by universities. The Canadian system gets that right.

Edited December 31, 2014 by TimG

[overthere]

anyone who's rich gets in

Students who reside in a home with a moderate to high household income do not qualify for student loans where I live in Canada. If the rich parents choose not to fund their childs education, there is no choice but to move out if the student wants loans.

while anyone who is poor, has to navigate worse schools

Publkic universities in Canada do not have income qualification requirements on entrance applications.