On Guard for Thee Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 Having been trained on various weapons for use in war zones, I can't imagine a more boring way to spend time firing at soe stupid fake target. But oh well, whatever blows your hair back. Quote
poochy Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 Having been trained on various weapons for use in war zones, I can't imagine a more boring way to spend time firing at soe stupid fake target. But oh well, whatever blows your hair back. Thank for adding an irrelevant comment, i can only speak for myself, but i dont care what you imagine is boring or otherwise, but then your petty comment was just the usual, an attempt to make other peoples hobbies look small. speaking of boring, check your posting tactics. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 Thank for adding an irrelevant comment, i can only speak for myself, but i dont care what you imagine is boring or otherwise, but then your petty comment was just the usual, an attempt to make other peoples hobbies look small. speaking of boring, check your posting tactics. Fair enough, praise the lord and pass the ammo. Quote
Smallc Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 Fair enough, praise the lord and pass the ammo. Because everyone that likes guns is a jesus freak. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 Because everyone that likes guns is a jesus freak. What do ya think most wars have been fought over? Quote
Smallc Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 What do ya think most wars have been fought over? Ummm...what? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) Ummm...what? Religion. Jesus gun freaks etc. Edited July 25, 2015 by On Guard for Thee Quote
waldo Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 Today Mulcair was asked if he'd bring back the gun registry: oh snap! Not your sacred cow... not again! Tell me/us again - what do you personally have against having to register your guns? Other than, given your veritable arsenal, it would be a bit time consuming! Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Posted July 25, 2015 oh snap! Not your sacred cow... not again! Tell me/us again - what do you personally have against having to register your guns? Other than, given your veritable arsenal, it would be a bit time consuming! For most and myself, the political dishonesty by those pushing it.......with that, half my "arsenal" is registered (just registered another on Thursday afternoon actually) regardless. The better question, as asked, why is the NDP hiding their agenda? Quote
waldo Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 For most and myself, the political dishonesty by those pushing it....... what dishonesty? So you "register some" of your guns... so what's your beef with a national firearms registry concept? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Posted July 25, 2015 what dishonesty? So you "register some" of your guns... so what's your beef with a national firearms registry concept? In principle*, nothing really other than the PITA and waste of money and resources that could be spent going after the black market, where most crime guns are obtained anyways ..........of course, the dishonesty is found within the disarmament agenda being pushed by its biggest backers......the political gun grabbers understand to take a gun, they need to know where said gun is first... This of course rung true in the later 90s as newly registered firearms were then banned, and in most cases said owners, that obtained them lawfully, and then lawfully registered them, were then forced to then hand them in after said guns being made illegal after the fact, without even so much as compensation. Why would we trust another go around? *Restricted and Prohibited firearms are still registered, and with handguns, have been since the 1930s. Quote
waldo Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 ..........of course, the dishonesty is found within the disarmament agenda being pushed by its biggest backers......the political gun grabbers understand to take a gun, they need to know where said gun is first... This of course rung true in the later 90s as newly registered firearms were then banned, and in most cases said owners, that obtained them lawfully, and then lawfully registered them, were then forced to then hand them in after said guns being made illegal after the fact, without even so much as compensation. Why would we trust another go around? just how many gun types... the specific gun make... were shifted from legal to banned? And what was the official rationale provided as to why the shift was done? What was the nature of direct political guidance/directive involved... expect a cite request if you simply resort to your standard unsubstantiated statements. when you speak of "gun grabbers needing to know where the gun is first"... is this you favouring hiding the existence of guns from lawful authorities? Quote
Keepitsimple Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 Blah, blah, blah. Our problem here in Canada - such as it is......is with illegal handguns - not rifles and shotguns. The people who kill each other with these illegal handguns are not going to register them. Perhaps someone can elaborate how a "National Firearms Registry" will stop the illegal smuggling and use of handguns? Quote Back to Basics
Smallc Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 Religion. Jesus gun freaks etc. Your shallow bigotry aside, what? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 Your shallow bigotry aside, what? Naw, I'm not religious. Quote
waldo Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 Blah, blah, blah. Our problem here in Canada - such as it is......is with illegal handguns - not rifles and shotguns. The people who kill each other with these illegal handguns are not going to register them. Perhaps someone can elaborate how a "National Firearms Registry" will stop the illegal smuggling and use of handguns? blah, blah, blah. Why take a tool away from law-enforcement... one they certainly did not want to lose? You probably register new consumer products, right? You register your vehicle(s), right? Apparently, such an inconvenience to register rifles/shotguns! Standard conservative prattle, playin' to da base! Quote
Bryan Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 The attack adds are writing themselves.... It's going to be an interesting campaign. It's going to be really easy for all of the other parties to paint him as a liar -- no matter what he answers, they'll be able to pull up a quote of him saying the opposite. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 Yes it's too bad Harper can't keep his stories straight. The debates will be troublesome for him. Quote
Bryan Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 Yes it's too bad Harper can't keep his stories straight. The debates will be troublesome for him. Harper's message has been far more consistent than the opposition's. Quote
waldo Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 Harper's message has been far more consistent than the opposition's. the consistently inconsistent Harper! Quote
Argus Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 blah, blah, blah. Why take a tool away from law-enforcement... one they certainly did not want to lose? It was a crappy and unreliable tool which was grossly expensive, and no one could show it had any real value. As to police wanting it, sure they did. And if they could get it they'd like everyone's fingerprints and DNA and picture, as well. There is no amount of information a police force will turn down or not describe as important if they can get it. You probably register new consumer products, right? You register your vehicle(s), right? Yeah, but the police don't show up at your door to take away your car if you're late renewing your license. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
waldo Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 It was a crappy and unreliable tool which was grossly expensive, and no one could show it had any real value. As to police wanting it, sure they did. And if they could get it they'd like everyone's fingerprints and DNA and picture, as well. There is no amount of information a police force will turn down or not describe as important if they can get it. your talking points have been well dispatched in prior MLW gun-registry related threads. Significant costs reflected upon actions taken by the anti-registry movements across Canada and the unwillingness of some provinces to properly integrate... but regardless of all the historical costs, the system was working with relatively insignificant operational costs. . Yeah, but the police don't show up at your door to take away your car if you're late renewing your license. hey now! While we wait for D2.0 to speak to his declared 90's gun-grabbers, why not fill in for him! I mean, after all, with such an emphatic statement as you've just made, surely you can back it up with examples of "gun-grabbing". Surely. Don't forget to speak to the specific type of "gun grabbed"... cause, surely you're just not beaking off about the hypothetical, right? . Quote
Argus Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 your talking points have been well dispatched in prior MLW gun-registry related threads. Significant costs reflected upon actions taken by the anti-registry movements across Canada and the unwillingness of some provinces to properly integrate... but regardless of all the historical costs, the system was working with relatively insignificant operational costs. . And significant costs were incurred because the software was screwed up time and again, and they spent much more on it and much more time implementing it, and it never worked properly. It was full of holes and inaccuracies. hey now! While we wait for D2.0 to speak to his declared 90's gun-grabbers, why not fill in for him! I mean, after all, with such an emphatic statement as you've just made, surely you can back it up with examples of "gun-grabbing". Surely. Don't forget to speak to the specific type of "gun grabbed"... cause, surely you're just not beaking off about the hypothetical, right? . Well, this is from one of those rabid right-wingers, a reporter with the Toronto Star, but maybe you'll be interested in reading it anyway. A pounding at the door the other morning; my windows rattled. I was upstairs at work. I don't always leave my desk to hear the good news about Jehovah. The pounder was insistent. I went down, if only for the sake of the windows. Oh, jeeze, the cops. http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2010/01/29/fiorito_the_cops_came_and_took_my_gun.html Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WWWTT Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 The better question, as asked, why is the NDP hiding their agenda? Not entirely sure there's anything to hide? The gun registry turned into a galvanizing voting issue very hard to shake. Many lessons learned on all political stripes. I know you're eagerly rubbing your hands salivating about the prospect the NDP resurrect the vote busting gun registry, but I doubt the NDP will give the conservatives the opportunity to jamb their foot back in the door. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Derek 2.0 Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Posted July 25, 2015 just how many gun types... the specific gun make... were shifted from legal to banned? Under the Liberals Firearms Act there was both an arbitrary criteria created for all guns, added to certain guns that were banned by specific model name...... And what was the official rationale provided as to why the shift was done? There is none, if you can find an official rationale, by all means, let me know and I'll pass it along to gun owners that have been asking the same questions since the 1990s...... If someone can explain why a fifty year old Smith & Wesson Model 10 revolver with a 4" barrel should be banned, but a S&W Model 10 with a 4.2" barrel is perfectly legal, I would love to know......likewise why the SPAS-12 shotgun (Arnie's gun from Terminator) was banned by name, but a whole host of similar shotguns are still non-restricted......or why the infamous AK-47 was banned, including semi-auto only and rimfire (pop-guns) were banned, but the Finnish produced Valmet 78 (an exact and improved copy of the AK-47) is left non-restricted and was even supplied, by the then department of Indian Affairs, to numerous First Nations bands for hunting......... If you can understand the logic, by all means, I'd love to hear it. What was the nature of direct political guidance/directive involved... expect a cite request if you simply resort to your standard unsubstantiated statements. I have no idea, it even stymies legal experts that specialize in it.....that's not to say some aspects aren't self-explanatory, like licensing or safe storage requirements, to many (even most gun owners) these are common sense..............but the countless illogical classifications remain a mystery, namely when contrasted with somewhere like New Zealand, where it is very simple: Machine guns and select fire military rifles require license "x" Handguns require license "y" everything else requires license "z" If the progressive Kiwi's are able to accommodate licensed gun owners, well not endangering public safety (in nations where most of the police aren't armed), what is the difference between us and them? when you speak of "gun grabbers needing to know where the gun is first"... is this you favouring hiding the existence of guns from lawful authorities? Not the least, as the "gun grabbers" and lawful authorities have no idea where the vast majority of firearms are located across Canada, hence, what is there to hide? Quote
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