G Huxley Posted August 30, 2014 Report Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) The Yazidi still seem to be in trouble on Mt. Sinjar, contrary to claims that everything is now OK. It seems the declaration of the situation being solved has been premature. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/27/-sp-yazidis-mount-sinjar-isis-satellite-images Edited August 30, 2014 by G Huxley Quote
Solidarity Posted August 31, 2014 Report Posted August 31, 2014 The Yazidi kurds stuck on Mt. Sinjar are probably there because their homelands lie right in the ISIS territory, they cannot return to their homes unless ISIS is defeated, and even then I'm not sure if they would want to go and live as a minority back amongst the Sunni-arabs dominated region who supported ISIS the second they showed up and joined in the slaughter! The Kurds have experienced genocide at the hands of Sunni Arabs as recently as the anfal genocide under saddam, and historically they have always been slaughtered, invaded, and repressed by Sunni Arabs. Those remaining on the mountain and asking for weapons likely want to join in the fight alongside the Peshmerga. The other options for these Yazidi Kurds, ie relocation and settlement in safe lands is inhibited by economic stress, violence, and refugee overcrowding in the only areas they would be amongst their ethnic kin, Rojava Kurdistan (Syria), and the KRG. Quote
G Huxley Posted August 31, 2014 Author Report Posted August 31, 2014 The really sad thing is that Sinjar was the most populous Yazidi city, and now they seem to have all been driven out of it so far as I gather. I have a Yazidi friend from Sinjar and I haven't heard from him. I'm quite worried for him and his family. The Yazidi around Sinjar wear a characteristic red and white dotted headdress that makes them stand out from other Yazidi. They are like a Yazidi culture within the Yazidi. Its very sad. Quote
Solidarity Posted August 31, 2014 Report Posted August 31, 2014 It's a massive tragedy, there is no doubt about that. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted August 31, 2014 Report Posted August 31, 2014 It looks like good news for the town of Amerli. Iraqi security and volunteer forces have broken the siege there. It looks like there could have been an imminent massacre. The U.S. contributed with airstrikes and dropping humanitarian aid. This is good news! Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted August 31, 2014 Report Posted August 31, 2014 It's a massive tragedy, there is no doubt about that. And now news that several dozen Yazidi women kidnapped have been forced to convert and sold into marriages in Syria. Human rights organization have confirmed 27 women have been sold for $1,000 while many, many are still unaccounted for. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted September 1, 2014 Report Posted September 1, 2014 I usually try to think of myself as something of a "peacenik" but I have to say, if I currently had access to an F18 SuperHornet, I would happilly work all the overtime I could in the effort to sweep up the ISIS mess you speak of. Quote
Rue Posted September 1, 2014 Report Posted September 1, 2014 (edited) Oh look who's flipping and flopping in position. Oh guess who. Well now, in post 60, on the thread Canada Should Give Aid to the YAzidi... dated August 14,2014,Mr.Huxley claimed abd I quote; " The YAzidi and Sanjar have been saved now." SeemsMr.Huxley's above comment was "premature". Say Mr. Huxley, all your comments in the previous thread did prove a tad inaccurate. But hey you go figure out how Obama is gonna flippity flop away from his support of ISIS and Erdogan. You do realize the latest air attack on the ISIS was in coordination with the Iranian military on the ground. Say now Mr.Erdogan must be upset. Oh fret not. The Yazidi realize the Shiites hate them as much as the Shiites hate the Sunni ISIS. You see Huxley if my enemy is your enemy we are allies in the moment. That moment can last minutes, hours, days, weeks but not much longer then that in the Middle East. The US was warned to stay out of the Shiite-Sunni civil war. Obama went charging in like a know it all ignoring Israel,Jordan, Egypt. He was warned by German and British intelligence as well. They all warned don't get in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood behind ISIS and Hamas. Don't make overtures to Iran either. Stay the phack out. The US military intelligence warned him as well.They said do not get in bed with Iran. India warned them as well. Well the only people laughing right now at Obama are not the allies he turned on but China and Russia taking full advantage of the chaos for their own best interests. The US policy when Colin Powell was State Secretary was doing just fine. Prior to that Clinton had it figured out too. It is true when Chaney muscled in and took over openly rejecting the US Military's directions on how to handle things, the US got into trouble. However as questionable as Chany and Rumsfeld were rendering US foreign policy captive of Haliburton contracts, Bush did not go ont.v. saying idiotic things like " I have no policy on ISIS". I am no Bush fan but I sure as hell will admit Romney's call on foreign policy in the last Presidential debate was dead on and I supported Obama not Romney and that makes me dead wrong and the Republicans dead right. Bush Chaney was a Romney supporter so what would you like me to say to him? Of course I will admit I was wrong to him and for that matter JBG who also warned of Obama foreign policy in the Middle East. Wrong is wrong, right is right. I do think the US is badly needed in the Middle East and Europe and the vacuum in leadership from Obama's complete foreign policy implosion is sad, but its never too late to pull his testacles out of his stomach where he seems to have sucked them up. What he has to do is clearly denounce Muslim extremist terrorism like the British PM did, clearly and openly denounce the Muslim Brotherhood-ISIS-Erdogan constellation, stop trying to suck up to Iran which once again embolded Iran to ignore a UN audit of their nuclear facilities a few days ago. He needs to stand up instead of slouching, look the camera in the eye and say, we have been reserved as to terrorism, now its no more Mr.Nice Guy. Mr.Nice Guy has failed. Putin is about to create a rump state in Ukraine and if he thinks Putin is stopping there he better read his history on Stalin and Hitler. As for his appeasement of the Muslim Brotherhood, he's pulled this Neville Chamberlain routine far too long.Enough. I say the US needs to do some cohesive and powerful air strikes in Iraq and Syria then sit out and let the rest sort itself. As for the latest fiasco kidnapping Philippines military in the UN the brave buggers have been held up in a state of siege trying to stay alive. Some were saved (30) but another unit remains trapped and on the verge of being wiped out and there are 45 Fiji soldiers missing. The UN better not pull another act like they did with Romeo Dallaires. Either get them out or send in the US or Israel to do it. As far as I am concerned after what the UN did not do in Rwanda,Mali and Sudan, they can kiss my politically correct ass. To leave their peace-keepers this long under siege is b.s. The US or Israel should go in their and pull the rest of these guys out. Edited September 1, 2014 by Rue Quote
G Huxley Posted September 1, 2014 Author Report Posted September 1, 2014 (edited) My exact quote was this: The Yezidi on Sinjar have been saved now, and you're still just an asshole. Yes it appears that not all of them were saved and that that was premature, but the one thing I got right in that post is that you're still an asshole. You were arguing that they shouldn't be protected at all. So while I was a bit overly optimistic in the moment, they did receive some protection enough to allow the majority to escape, and if it was up to you they wouldn't have received any protection at all. Edited September 1, 2014 by G Huxley Quote
marcus Posted September 1, 2014 Report Posted September 1, 2014 Either get them out or send in the US or Israel to do it. Who do we send to save the Palestinians from Israel? Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Rue Posted September 3, 2014 Report Posted September 3, 2014 My exact quote was this: Yes it appears that not all of them were saved and that that was premature, but the one thing I got right in that post is that you're still an asshole. You were arguing that they shouldn't be protected at all. Your statement about what I said was false. I never once stated or argued that the Yazidi should not be protected. Anyone can go back and read my post. I challenged your statements I thought were inaccurate and proven to be so by even you. At no time did I question the need to help the Yazidi or Kurds or anyone else. Lol. The name calling does not dettract from the fact that you misrepresent. Quote
Rue Posted September 3, 2014 Report Posted September 3, 2014 Who do we send to save the Palestinians from Israel? You. Quote
G Huxley Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Posted September 4, 2014 You spent most of the thread arguing that the US shouldn't intervene because Erdogan was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and other such nonsense. Quote
marcus Posted September 4, 2014 Report Posted September 4, 2014 You. I wonder who has killed more innocent civilians in the past month. ISIS or Israel. Anyone have the stats? Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 4, 2014 Report Posted September 4, 2014 Neither are even top ten in current global conflicts for deaths and injuries. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 4, 2014 Report Posted September 4, 2014 I wonder who has killed more innocent civilians in the past month. ISIS or Israel. Anyone have the stats? That's easy: Israel. But that's because Hamas likes to put them up front so they get gory pictures for PR purposes. However I suspect ISIS will catch up n the days to come. Quote
marcus Posted September 4, 2014 Report Posted September 4, 2014 Neither are even top ten in current global conflicts for deaths and injuries. In the past month? Let me know where over 500 children were slaughtered by American made missiles. Let me know who is in Israel's company. ISIS? Boko Harem? Is this another attempt to try to brush aside Israel's atrocities and use the old and familiar comment of "But it's not so bad! look at the rest of the world!"? Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 4, 2014 Report Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) ...Is this another attempt to try to brush aside Israel's atrocities and use the old and familiar comment of "But it's not so bad! look at the rest of the world!"? Already discussed in this forum....why is Israel/Palestine always given top billing ? Israel has real international support in the form of tangible investment, economic development, and military support. Gaza gets "sympathy". Back to Yazidis....it's fun to say "Yazidi". Edited September 4, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
marcus Posted September 4, 2014 Report Posted September 4, 2014 Already discussed in this forum....why is Israel/Palestine always given top billing ? Israel has real international support in the form of tangible investment, economic development, and military support. Gaza gets "sympathy". Back to Yazidis....it's fun to say "Yazidi". It receives top billing because it receives top military, economical and political billing. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 4, 2014 Report Posted September 4, 2014 It receives top billing because it receives top military, economical and political billing. Very well, then clearly the body count is secondary. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted September 4, 2014 Report Posted September 4, 2014 The really sad thing is that Sinjar was the most populous Yazidi city, and now they seem to have all been driven out of it so far as I gather. I have a Yazidi friend from Sinjar and I haven't heard from him. I'm quite worried for him and his family. The Yazidi around Sinjar wear a characteristic red and white dotted headdress that makes them stand out from other Yazidi. They are like a Yazidi culture within the Yazidi. Its very sad.What is also sad is that the Yatzidis are not getting the attention from the press, European and American students and "world opinion" that the violent Gazans, err, "Palestinians" are. What is happening to them is deliberate, not collateral, damage. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest Posted September 4, 2014 Report Posted September 4, 2014 What is also sad is that the Yatzidis are not getting the attention from the press, European and American students and "world opinion" that the violent Gazans, err, "Palestinians" are. What is happening to them is deliberate, not collateral, damage. Which is why I generally just shrug and roll my eyes at the foam mouthed outrage of the Israeli haters and their so called concern for the Palestinian "victims". It's never about the victims. It's always about the aggressors. If Israel kills unintentionally in self defence, it seems to be infinitely worse than Islamic nut jobs killing deliberately and brutally because they have slightly different opinions from their victims. Quote
jbg Posted September 4, 2014 Report Posted September 4, 2014 Which is why I generally just shrug and roll my eyes at the foam mouthed outrage of the Israeli haters and their so called concern for the Palestinian "victims". It's never about the victims. It's always about the aggressors. If Israel kills unintentionally in self defence, it seems to be infinitely worse than Islamic nut jobs killing deliberately and brutally because they have slightly different opinions from their victims.I agree with you. Most of those outraged by Israel's unintentional killings in what the Arabs readily admit is a war don't want Israel there at all. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
marcus Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 Very well, then clearly the body count is secondary. To you it may. To many, killing of innocent civilians and human rights violations is not secondary. Enough pressure will change that. Like it did in Apartheid South Africa. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 To you it may. To many, killing of innocent civilians and human rights violations is not secondary. Enough pressure will change that. Like it did in Apartheid South Africa. You missed the point entirely. Other conflicts with many times more killed, injured, and displaced don't seem to bother you as much. Why ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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