Hal 9000 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 So you're fine with both Harper and JT choosing the status quo then? You seem rather bothered by the status quo for someone who is unwilling to offer any ideas on how legislation should be enacted. Funny how those (and not you specifically) love to tag JT with their 'ABORTION ON DEMAND' catch phrase yet have no comment when asked to elaborate on their position. Maybe we have achieved the ideal situation without legislation then? Or maybe it's just a difficult practice to legislate, thus requiring the judgement of professionals....something conservatives seem to fear. Of course it's difficult to legislate, it's a hot button topic. As I said, political suicide. At 7 months a baby can recognize it's mothers voice and it can hear and retain music. You see people talking to and playing music for their babies at this time because presumably they can do this. A baby at 7 months can usually survive just fine and live a healthy life. I had a premie at just under 8 months - she's a happy and healthy teenager. The issue here is that Down syndrome babies are diagnosed at 14-20 weeks which puts the most likely scenario of abortion into the third trimester. If I was ruling the land, I would try to eliminate any third trimester abortions. The baby is just too far along by this point to be considered a fetus. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
jbg Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 The issue here is that Down syndrome babies are diagnosed at 14-20 weeks which puts the most likely scenario of abortion into the third trimester. If I was ruling the land, I would try to eliminate any third trimester abortions. The baby is just too far along by this point to be considered a fetus. The rights of healthy siblings, the parents and society get trampled with your analysis. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
guyser Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 I find it somewhat hypocritical that if a baby is born at 7 months and the mother drops it in a dumpster, we are outraged and call it disgusting - we may even want to see her prosecuted,Sure, because the woman has many options. yet a woman can go to a clinic at 8 months and have her baby aborted legally and ethically -No she cannot. There have to be extenuating circumstances, health wise , that would permit the abortio to go ahead. If she shows up @ 7 mths and says abort, they say..'get out' Quote
Hal 9000 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 The rights of healthy siblings, the parents and society get trampled with your analysis. How so? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 Sure, because the woman has many options. No she cannot. There have to be extenuating circumstances, health wise , that would permit the abortio to go ahead. If she shows up @ 7 mths and says abort, they say..'get out' It's less common in Canada, but late term abortions do happen. Anyway, the topic is about aborting Down Syndrome babies and considering when DS is detected, they'll almost all be considered late term. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
guyser Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) It's less common in Canada, but late term abortions do happen.Less common meaning almost none....right? And if so, medically necessary. Anyway, the topic is about aborting Down Syndrome babies and considering when DS is detected, they'll almost all be considered late term....and almost impossible to abort. Edited September 22, 2014 by Guyser2 Quote
overthere Posted September 22, 2014 Report Posted September 22, 2014 Late term is both bad and unusual, but is there any way there could be some retroactive abortions here? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Guest Posted September 23, 2014 Report Posted September 23, 2014 You mean really, really late term? Quote
Mighty AC Posted September 23, 2014 Report Posted September 23, 2014 It's less common in Canada, but late term abortions do happen. Anyway, the topic is about aborting Down Syndrome babies and considering when DS is detected, they'll almost all be considered late term. Down Syndrome, along with Trisomy 13 and 18 can be detected via amniocentesis at 15 weeks. That doesn't seem to be very late. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Hal 9000 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Posted September 23, 2014 Down Syndrome, along with Trisomy 13 and 18 can be detected via amniocentesis at 15 weeks. That doesn't seem to be very late. 14-20 weeks is what i have read. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Mighty AC Posted September 23, 2014 Report Posted September 23, 2014 14-20 weeks is what i have read. I have no issue with mothers/couples choosing to abort, due to genetic abnormalities, at 20 weeks. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Hal 9000 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Posted September 23, 2014 I have no issue with mothers/couples choosing to abort, due to genetic abnormalities, at 20 weeks. Does that include FAS and Autism? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Mighty AC Posted September 23, 2014 Report Posted September 23, 2014 Does that include FAS and Autism? AFAIK, there isn't a definitive test, in utero, for the fetal alcohol or autism spectrum disorders. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
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