overthere Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 And how does that help the Maritime government pay for roads, schools, and hospitals? How does people getting jobs out West help pay for the MLAs and other public service in the Maritime provinces? How does the working age population moving out West help support the aging population in the Maritimes? But then you're the first one to cry into your beer about transfer payments. Your choice is to have Maritime universities crank out graduates for jobs that don't exist, then chronically whine that somebody else is to blame.(Harper again). I can choose to laugh or barf. there is nothing else there. I have never complained abut transfer payments in my life. But if you cannot get work where you live, move. I've done it. Millions have. Then you can earn money, pay taxes, and support those who cannot work (like the elderly). Duh. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
cybercoma Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 How is it entirely Harper's fault? Jobs have been a problem here for a long time and the Liberals did nothing about it either. Fact is a national strategy needs to be develop because this isn't a single province's problem. It's a problem throughout an entire region, consisting of 4 out of the 10 provinces. Quote
eyeball Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 The problem is certainly not entirely Harper's fault but much of the solution is i.e. counting on one out of ten provinces to fix the problem. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
overthere Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 Right, spend billions to sustain high unemployment in the Maritimes. Brilliant. It's worked very well so far, let's spend even more. Welcome to Canuckistan. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
jbg Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 Right, spend billions to sustain high unemployment in the Maritimes. Brilliant. It's worked very well so far, let's spend even more. Welcome to Canuckistan. OK, what over-regulation could be eased to better effect? What other reforms? Too much union power? Help me here. I'm a "Yank" who doesn't know the first thing about Canada so I could use some help on the solution. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Bob Macadoo Posted August 23, 2014 Report Posted August 23, 2014 OK, what over-regulation could be eased to better effect? What other reforms? Too much union power? Help me here. I'm a "Yank" who doesn't know the first thing about Canada so I could use some help on the solution. There isn't. Its a generational travesty, and a lesson for western holier than thou residents. Put all your eggs in the natural resource bucket, and you end up where the maritimes are. I blame ON/QC for this. Between the public and their want for untariffed, "cheap" seafood and federal politicians not wanting to risk their job by shifting industry. The other issue is geography/demographics. The maritimes were an obvious centre when ships were the mode of goods transport, now with the flood of trucking its better to be a central location to access product markets. That will never happen now, investment should have occurred in the 60's to shift to a manufacturing base......now the ROI is too long to attract any investor.The maritimes are dying a slow painful inevitable death. The only working people left there soon will be those gov't funded to take care of the non-working (elderly care, program administration, etc.) Quote
Newfoundlander Posted August 24, 2014 Report Posted August 24, 2014 Perhaps you don't understand basic math. In 2011 the Conservatives got 166 seats which have them a majority by 24 seats. You could take all those 14 seats the Conservatives won in the Maritimes and give them to any other party and the majority would stand. The Maritimes delivered nothing. In fact they gave the Liberals 12 of the 34 of all Liberal seats across Canada. If anything they were neutral Seeing you need 155 seats for a majority government the Conservatives had an 11 seat majority. There were 13 Conservative MPs elected in the Maritimes in 2011. Quote
Accountability Now Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Seeing you need 155 seats for a majority government the Conservatives had an 11 seat majority. There were 13 Conservative MPs elected in the Maritimes in 2011. Yes. You're right. My margin of 24 didn't take into account that taking a seat from the Conservatives and giving it to others is a factor of two. Regardless...the Maritimes involvement in the Conservatives majority is equivalent to a hockey player scoring 3 goals and being directly responsible for 4 goals against and now saying that he is responsible for the victory. The reality is that the Maritimes did more to hurt them then help with 18 seats going to the other parties. This is unlike BC, Alberta, Sask, Man and Ont who all supported the Conservatives more than all other parties combined in their respective province. The truest reality is that it doesn't matter what the Maritimes or the west does. It comes down to Ontario (mostly) and Quebec. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Over half the seats in the Maritimes went Conservative. 8 out of 10 seats in New Brunswick went Conservative and the party won 43.9% of the vote, pretty much the same level of support the party received in Ontario where they won 44.4%. Plus it shouldn't matter how much support the party received in the region, they're governing for everyone. Quote
Accountability Now Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Over half the seats in the Maritimes went Conservative. Um...no. There are 32 seats in the Maritimes (NB-10, NS-11, PEI -4, NL -7). The Conservatives won 14 of those seats. 14 out of 32 is 43.75% which is not 'over half' as you suggest. 8 out of 10 seats in New Brunswick went Conservative and the party won 43.9% of the vote, pretty much the same level of support the party received in Ontario where they won 44.4%. The original comment and the dialogue thus far has been about the Maritimes in general...not NB alone. I'm glad that you cherry picked NB to highlight the Conservatives in that province however leaving out the other three provinces glosses over the lower popular votes with your home province of NL showing the lowest at 28.4%. When you look at the votes for the Liberal Party...now there is a story. The Liberals got 18.9% of the popular vote across Canada but in every Maritime province they exceeded that. NL and PEI exceeded it by quite a bit with respective numbers of 37.9 and 41. I think its quite fair to say the Maritimes are still quite Liberal on the Federal level. Plus it shouldn't matter how much support the party received in the region, they're governing for everyone. I absolutely agree however my issue was that the original comment indicated that Ottawa is ignoring the Maritimes after they 'delivered' victory in 2006 and 2011. Why would the Federal Conservatives 'owe' the Martimes provinces after earning less than half the seats and giving a higher popular vote to another party? With that said, Alberta gave the Conservatives 27 out of 28 possible seats and the highest popular vote (66.8%) out of any party in any province....YET I still don't believe they should be given prefential treatment. The idea of the government owing a particular region is ridiculous. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 (edited) Newfoundland and Labrador is not part of the Maritimes. So there are 25 seats in the Martitimes with 13 being represented by Conservative MPs. Edited August 26, 2014 by Newfoundlander Quote
Accountability Now Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 Newfoundland and Labrador is not part of the Maritimes. So there are 25 seats in the Martitimes with 13 being represented by Conservative MPs. I can honestly say I didn't know that. I've always associated the four provinces as the Maritimes. I guess you learn something new every day. Quote
jbg Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 Newfoundland and Labrador is not part of the Maritimes. So there are 25 seats in the Martitimes with 13 being represented by Conservative MPs.I can honestly say I didn't know that. I've always associated the four provinces as the Maritimes. I guess you learn something new every day.I am not a Canadian and I actually know very little about the country. I would assume it's because the Maritimes were defined while Newfoundland was initially a separate Dominion and/or when they became independent. Britain later reabsorbed them, and then shunted NL out to Canada in 1949 as it was abdicating its role as a world leader. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
cybercoma Posted August 28, 2014 Report Posted August 28, 2014 The Atlantic Provinces includes Newfoundland. The Maritimes is NB, NS, and PEI. Quote
jbg Posted September 2, 2014 Report Posted September 2, 2014 The Atlantic Provinces includes Newfoundland. The Maritimes is NB, NS, and PEI.Isn't it now "Newfoundland and Labrador"? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Bob Macadoo Posted September 2, 2014 Report Posted September 2, 2014 Isn't it now "Newfoundland and Labrador"? Until they secede..... Quote
jbg Posted September 2, 2014 Report Posted September 2, 2014 Until they secede..... Nothing secedes like success. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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