Bryan Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 Well then he must not have used a choke hold. A lot of people used choke holds that day. Police were not only on hand to witness it, several police officers even participated. No arrests. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 Yeah and OJ got away with murder. Do you have a point or are you still flailing? Psst..murder is illegal too. Quote
Bryan Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 Yeah and OJ got away with murder. Do you have a point or are you still flailing? Psst..murder is illegal too. Do you know of any regularly scheduled public events where police attend and witness multiple murders, only to walk away without any arrests? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 I have no idea what you are trying to say. If it's the wrestling video then hey guess what, you can of course go into that arena willingly and suffer the consequences. Here's another little simple question for you, if I was walking down the street and punched someone in the head, did I commit a crime? If I'm playing hockey for the TO Leafs and I punch an opposing player will I get arrested? I know this might be confusing but take some time to sort it out. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 And if and when you figure that out, keep in mind Garner was not on a hockey rink, he was on a street. Quote
Bryan Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 I have no idea what you are trying to say. If it's the wrestling video then hey guess what, you can of course go into that arena willingly and suffer the consequences. Here's another little simple question for you, if I was walking down the street and punched someone in the head, did I commit a crime? If I'm playing hockey for the TO Leafs and I punch an opposing player will I get arrested? I know this might be confusing but take some time to sort it out. That's very similar to what I'm talking about. Making a blanket statement that punches are illegal would be just as false as saying that choke holds are illegal. Quote
Bryan Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 And if and when you figure that out, keep in mind Garner was not on a hockey rink, he was on a street. Garner was not put in a choke hold. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 Yes choke holds are illegal. I have posted the actual law. I can't help if you don't get it. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 According to the video, but more importantly, according to the coroner he was. And it contributed to his death. Quote
Bryan Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 According to the video, but more importantly, according to the coroner he was. And it contributed to his death. Not one word of that statement is true. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 A lot of people used choke holds that day. Police were not only on hand to witness it, several police officers even participated. No arrests. And a lot of people were punched in the face in boxing rings that day too. Must mean going around punching people in the face is legal too, right? Come on, man. Think about what you're saying. Quote
Shady Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 It tells you why the chokehold is illegal in NY. Why don't you try posting things that you're referencing? Post a link to material you think is relevant. That's how it's suppose to work. Quote
Shady Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 And a lot of people were punched in the face in boxing rings that day too. Must mean going around punching people in the face is legal too, right? Come on, man. Think about what you're saying. No, assault is against the law, everybody knows that. You're conflating a non police officer with a police officer confronted with individuals resisting arrest. Those are two seperate matters. I don't know why you're being so obtuse about it. For example, when a police officer is called to an emergency, they're allowed to drive over the speed limit. Must mean everyone can speed right?! :rolls eyes: Quote
cybercoma Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 No, assault is against the law, everybody knows that. You're conflating a non police officer with a police officer confronted with individuals resisting arrest. Those are two seperate matters. I don't know why you're being so obtuse about it. For example, when a police officer is called to an emergency, they're allowed to drive over the speed limit. Must mean everyone can speed right?! :rolls eyes: And if a police officer uses a physical restraint tactic that they're not allowed to use, then it's also assault. The ironic bit about Bryan's arguments is if a fighter in UFC were to willingly violate the rules of the octagon and cause another fighter's death, you would be damn sure that there would be criminal charges and it would be assault. We've already seen it in hockey as well. So stop being so damned pedantic. Choking is assault. If the cops know they're not allowed to choke people this way and go ahead and do it anyway, then they're assaulting someone. Cops don't get to just use whatever force they want. This isn't North Korea we're talking about, it's the United States. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 This is seriously the kind of intellectually dishonest BS that makes this forum intolerable sometimes. Quote
GostHacked Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 People don't generally join the police because they want to kill anyone, you know. Mostly they see themselves doing something heroic and exciting, and yes, defending the innocent is part of that. And they do that a hell of a lot more often than they mistakenly kill people. I do wish that they would go back to the more congenial approach police used to use before 'command voice' took over, and the thinking became that every perp needed to be thrown on the ground and have his head knelt on in order to be properly 'safe' for handcuffing. But that is where we are. Cops use force right away without much attempt to deescalate a situation. Why does the police look more and more like the military? Same gear, different colour. One of the clips in the vid I posted came from an incident that got on TV. A woman in a red jacket was shot with rubber bullets. A video after showed the officer in charge of the operation talking to that group of officers. 'The great think about seeing this live on TV was when the woman in red was shot'.. Slight paraphrasing here. But this is coming from the leadership of the police. That officer goes on to praise the one who shot her and the rest of the group cheered. I am sure this is just a few bad apples. But this shows their mentality on the job when enforcing the law (no longer peace officers). Quote
GostHacked Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 Choke holds are NOT illegal. They are legally performed all over the world everyday, including in New York. It's not even illegal for the police to use, it's just against department policy. A cop who does perform one during an arrest will not be criminally charged for it, but he might face internal discipline. If I did a choke hold on you, I would be charged with assault. Quote
GostHacked Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 Why don't you try posting things that you're referencing? Post a link to material you think is relevant. That's how it's suppose to work. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH .. /facepalm. Still waiting for those links from you in a few other threads. Quote
GostHacked Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 This is seriously the kind of intellectually dishonest BS that makes this forum intolerable sometimes. Agreed. Quote
Argus Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 (edited) Those are completely unrelated factoids. Are they? I see all kinds of Black people talking about how they need to protect their children, and how they fear for their safety and how 'black lives matter'. Well ,their safety is mostly endangered by other Black people, not by police. Police rarely kill Black people, and when they do it mostly seems to be criminals. So make sure your kids aren't criminals and they are likely safe from police. Problem solved. Now if only they could protect them from Black murderers... Edited December 6, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 They are an important life skill for self-defense, and an effective submission to win jiu-jitsu tournaments. They are by far the least likely thing to cause anyone medical issues out of anything we teach and train. If the person being choked doesn't tap right away, they just go to sleep. They wake up a few seconds later, and they're fine. Tackling someone to the ground or using shoulder locks and similar arm restraints is far more likely to result in someone needing medical attention. And yet the NYPD banned the use of the choke hold after a number of deaths... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 Who said "won't"? Quit being so damn intellectually dishonest. The statistics have been posted that show that it's not like it "won't happen" to those people, but it's several times less likely to happen. Is it several times less likely to happen to Whites than Blacks or is it several times less likely to happen to White criminals than Black criminals? For as the statistics show us, whites, on average, are much less likely to have encounters with police because they are less likely to live in high crime neighborhoods and less likely to be committing crimes. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bryan Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 This is seriously the kind of intellectually dishonest BS that makes this forum intolerable sometimes. Yes, most of your posts certainly are. Quote
Bryan Posted December 6, 2014 Report Posted December 6, 2014 No, assault is against the law, everybody knows that. You're conflating a non police officer with a police officer confronted with individuals resisting arrest. Those are two seperate matters. I don't know why you're being so obtuse about it. For example, when a police officer is called to an emergency, they're allowed to drive over the speed limit. Must mean everyone can speed right?! :rolls eyes: Exactly. These loons do not seem to understand that there is always context to everything. A blanket statement that "x" is illegal, is virtually always false, even when they can quote a law that on the surface appears to confirm it. "Choke holds" are NOT illegal. Using a chokehold during the commission of a criminal assault would be. If I run up to a stranger and bear hug them to the ground I also might be charged with assault, but if I say "hugs" are illegal, that would be a false statement. Quote
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