No Wonder PM Martin Is Out Of The Country

[maplesyrup]

Martin aide tied to cash

PM Martin didn't know anything about the sponsorship money. Right!

[Big Blue Machine]

The Sponsorship thing is old news. Every government wastes money and is corrupt. That's how government works.

[maplesyrup]

I see you have high standards!

[Slavik44]

The Sponsorship thing is old news. Every government wastes money and is corrupt. That's how government works.

It is the principle of the matter (yes that dreaded word) Martin said he knew nothing of the sponsorship scandle.

The money lost doesn't bother me, but the fact that Martin continues to lie about this situation Bothers me. For the msot part Canadians have forgiven Martin, but he refuses to acknowledge he did wrong, a person cannot expirence true forgiveness until he admits he has somethign to be foregiven. Even Donaqld Rumsfield has admitted there is no WOMD in Iraq, the least Paul Martin could do is admit he cheated Candians out of Millions of dollars, It is not like he killed someone. (I am just using Iraq as an example no need to argue about Iraq in this thread please)

[August1991]

The money lost doesn't bother me, but the fact that Martin continues to lie about this situation Bothers me.

The truly criminal thing here is that these ad firms kicked back money to the Liberal Party.

In addition, those ad firms provided free services to the Liberal Party in the last election.

Lastly, people in the Liberal Party see nothing wrong with this. They see the Liberal Party as the only institution capable of managing Canada. In their mind, this is a question of "national unity" or Canada's version of "national security".

[maplesyrup]

Maybe they have a point seeing as how the Conservatives have jumped in bed with the Bloc!

[August1991]

Maybe they have a point seeing as how the Conservatives have jumped in bed with the Bloc!

While you support the NDP MS, you in effect take the Liberal viewpoint.

In the Liberal view, people such as Rene Levesque, Lucien Bouchard and Stephen Harper are the devil incarnate. Any means are perfectly legitimate to stop these opponents.

There is something profoundly anti-democratic about the Liberal viewpoint. I don't think it's healthy for the country. I'll go out onto a limb and say that PM PM seems to understand this.

[takeanumber]

I think it's plausible that Martin knew.

Liberal corruption.

Conservative corruption. (Take a look at Alberta).

It's all the same rot, so don't say that somehow Liberal corruption is so much worse.

They're both equally horrid.

[Big Blue Machine]

EVERY government is corrupt is it's own little way, even NDP governments. Don't be shocked when a big money scandal comes out, get used to it. It's easier to accept it, then to fight it.

[maplesyrup]

August1991......I am not condoning corrupt behaviour, just stating the obvious that it permeates everywhere. No one party or person has a handle on honesty, principled living, or the truth.

Your beloved Rene ran over and killed a street person, and had it been someone our society considered of consequence, it would have destroyed his political career.

That is the problem when you have drunks on the road and prominent people don't take responsibility for their own personal behaviour.

Look at Gordon Campbell. The one overriding thing that is going to bring this man down is his hypocrisy over Glen Clark contrasting it with his own personal behaviour when he was caught DUI in Hawaii. Was he with his girlfriend at the time or not?

[Slavik44]

EVERY government is corrupt is it's own little way, even NDP governments. Don't be shocked when a big money scandal comes out, get used to it. It's easier to accept it, then to fight it.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. You are telling me tha tI should do or say nothing, Democracy, the western World was founded on Good men doing something about bad things. Saying "NO" to tyrants, Saying "NO" to dictators. But when we sit back and say "Yes" to curruption we are regressing back to a political system where the people serve the government instead of the government serving the people. All Parties NDP, Liberal, Bloc, CPC, have the capabilities to be corrupt. However that does not make it right. Just because they all do it doesn't mean it is an acceptable thing for the government to do, and if we do not stop, draw a line in the sand and say no further it will continue to happen and simply get worse and worse each time. I would rather fight an up-hill batle then sit on me lazy boy recliner rolling down a hill into a pile of shit. It may be easier to do but that doesn't make it the best thing to do. You say you want to be the premier of Ontario, good luckk telling your constituents "Yeah I know I stole 50 million from you guys but hey shit happens, oh yeah vote for me next election."

[August1991]

Every government wastes money and is corrupt. That's how government works.

I strongly disagree BBM. 'Government' is a wonderful way to do good.' How? That's the question!

And, admit it, there are degrees to government waste and corruption.

I am not condoning corrupt behaviour, just stating the obvious that it permeates everywhere. No one party or person has a handle on honesty, principled living, or the truth.

MS, I was born and raised in Canada but I have lived in different countries. I am struck how honest Canadians are. Abroad, foreigners have said the same to me - "Canadians are honest". It is my basic answer to the Mark Steyns of the world. Canada fosters honesty. We enjoy our reputation, and so does Mark Steyn, apparently.

Your beloved Rene ran over and killed a street person, and had it been someone our society considered of consequence, it would have destroyed his political career.

It happened. It won't happen again because PM PM now has a car and driver at our expense. Is that a good use of our money?

[maplesyrup]

Perhaps we are electing the wrong kind of people to govern us. Why can't we expect to have law abiding citizens, and principled Canadians at the helm.

There are a lot excellent people in our society who aren't drunks, having affairs, stealing, abusing, etc. We need to somehow pull them out of the woodwork.

I think we need to make it mandatory to have representative Parliament. If women are 50% of the population, we need 50% female MPs. We also need the visible minorities in the House in the same proportions as their respective communities.

I think we should double or triple the remuneration for our elected politicians. That way hopefully they will no longer need to be tempted by bribes and corruption, etc.

August1991...... you are right, we are reasonably above board if you compare us to some other countries, like the USA. God, I was just listening to a news report on CBC radio and it sounds like the GOP are really opposed to democracy, trying to destroy democratic voting records, etc.

A Librarian, I just love Librarians, discovered the scam. Sproule and Associates were using America votes as their front to disenfranchise Democrat voters in Oregon. It is disgustingly dirty. What kind of sick society is that?

[August1991]

A Librarian, I just love Librarians, 

MS, I agree. J'aime bien les bibliothécaires.

MS, my genetic origins are Quebec and Newfoundland, but I appreciate your heartful posts. Let's disagree, politely.

(I'm "Canadian" because I can't be anything else...I prefer math as a language...)