Argus Posted June 8, 2014 Report Posted June 8, 2014 Thank you, it takes courage to go against your country's propaganda efforts. Well.... not so much, really. I mean, it's not as if you get shot for doing so. There are aren't really any consequences to having bizarre opinions other than people making fun of you. .Even Nazi Germany had it's few who weren't afraid to tell the truth when the tide was rushing in against good and truth. True. Just not sure how one could sanely describe Saddam Hussein and Vladimir Putin as standing for good and truth. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
monty16 Posted June 8, 2014 Report Posted June 8, 2014 No, this is not a personal attack, I just think you need new repertoire. I didn't mean to offend your sensibilities, I was just pointing out that the song and dance gets boring since its always the same and it seems irrelevant to you how relevant your repertoire is to the topic on hand... I think I might be hurting your sensibilities by reminding you of the truth. So why not stop whining about it and offer some substantial rebuttals of what I have to say. If you can't do that then follow along with your finger while others understand what it's all about. I know you don't like it and I know you don't like me but you're going to have to get used to it without attacking me for my views. That's allowed in Canada you know! Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted June 8, 2014 Report Posted June 8, 2014 Thank you, it takes courage to go against your country's propaganda efforts. I welcome the scorn as I understand that the lowlife who hand it out are those that have been propagandized into not being able to understand anything else.Even Nazi Germany had it's few who weren't afraid to tell the truth when the tide was rushing in against good and truth. Did you just compare Canada to Nazi Germany, the US to Nazi Germany or both? Oh my, can you wait until I get some pop corn before we continue with the "history" lesson or the "historical comparison"? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
monty16 Posted June 8, 2014 Report Posted June 8, 2014 Well.... not so much, really. I mean, it's not as if you get shot for doing so. There are aren't really any consequences to having bizarre opinions other than people making fun of you. True. Just not sure how one could sanely describe Saddam Hussein and Vladimir Putin as standing for good and truth. Both Saddam and Putin stand vindicated due to the simple facts of the US track record. Have you already forgotton that Saddam's Iraq was invaded on false pretences and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were murdered. Now don't run from the debate. Tell me what egregious crime Saddam could have commited that could ever equal those hundreds of thousands of victims under US bombs. And when you address that with some credibility then we'll go on to compare Russia's track record since the fall of the Soviet Union to the US's track record of so many wars of aggression that we have lost count. Quote
monty16 Posted June 8, 2014 Report Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) Did you just compare Canada to Nazi Germany, the US to Nazi Germany or both? Oh my, can you wait until I get some pop corn before we continue with the "history" lesson or the "historical comparison"? I'm going to compare the US to Nazi Germany. the Iraq phony war for phony reasons equalled Nazi Germany's crimes against humanity in the same period of time. I suspect that the US's crimes against humanity is close to equalling Nazi Germany's crimes over the same 6 year period. How about you provide a rebuttal to that assertion now before you start attacking me again for my opinion? Can you do that? Fwiw, I see little real distinction on how the Nazis killed people and the US killed people. They all ended up dead. edit: Oh, and btw, were you a part of it and now you have to try to justify your behaviour? Or are you just apologizing for the US? Edited June 8, 2014 by monty16 Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted June 8, 2014 Report Posted June 8, 2014 Both Saddam and Putin stand vindicated due to the simple facts of the US track record. Have you already forgotton that Saddam's Iraq was invaded on false pretences and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were murdered. Now don't run from the debate. Tell me what egregious crime Saddam could have commited that could ever equal those hundreds of thousands of victims under US bombs. Iran-Iraq war, gassing the Kurds and many many other things... gee he was your average mother Theresa. And when you address that with some credibility then we'll go on to compare Russia's track record since the fall of the Soviet Union to the US's track record of so many wars of aggression that we have lost count. Its not like the Russians just invaded Ukraine and annexed one of their provinces and are sending special forces to make trouble in others... oh wait yes they are... And that's just the tip, if I thought for a moment that you were interested in learning anything I would continue, but I doubt you want to or are capable of learning with regards to history or current affairs. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
monty16 Posted June 8, 2014 Report Posted June 8, 2014 Iran-Iraq war, gassing the Kurds and many many other things... gee he was your average mother Theresa. Its not like the Russians just invaded Ukraine and annexed one of their provinces and are sending special forces to make trouble in others... oh wait yes they are... And that's just the tip, if I thought for a moment that you were interested in learning anything I would continue, but I doubt you want to or are capable of learning with regards to history or current affairs. And again you take it to the personal level by suggesting that I'm not capable! You really do need to stop that you know. Yes, the russians annexed the Crimea with no bloodshed and on behalf of the people who wished it so. Why in the world would anybody even try to criticize that when the US is guilty of numerous more egregious crimes? Do you people have some sort of selective thinking that lets you ignore US aggression? Geez, the best argument I ever hear from the US/Nato apologists is that what the US does is not the same? Somehow? Quote
monty16 Posted June 9, 2014 Report Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) Bergdahl was treated well in captivity. Yeah, we know that because the Taliban showed us a video of him in good shape. So for a good laugh watch and listen to this one! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/06/taliban-bowe-bergdahl-_n_5457717.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular Sadly, the level of intelligence these propagandized lemmings employ falls far short of convincing people of reasonable intelligence. Not a problem because most Americans believe this pap, hook, line, and sinker. Amusing isn't it when somebody who is brought on a show to help get the message across ends up destroying the whole sick charade! edit: The upside of this crap is that they get the true message out again about their songbird McCane and how he was treated so badly by the enemy that he wanted to stay and enjoy the hotel's services! Edited June 9, 2014 by monty16 Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted June 9, 2014 Report Posted June 9, 2014 And again you take it to the personal level by suggesting that I'm not capable! It seems to me that you are not capable of any actual discussion because of your blind hatred for the US, this is pretty evident when you cite individuals who are responsible for millions of deaths between themselves yet you project them as holy. You really do need to stop that you know. What I need to do is stop reading your posts because they are giving me a headache... Yes, the russians annexed the Crimea with no bloodshed and on behalf of the people who wished it so. Really the people wished it? So whats with all the Russian special forces that invaded the region? Kinda hard to say I don't like you if you have a gun to my head and are not afraid to use it. I mean what could go wrong when you have armed troops in the country, close down all external modes of travel to and from the territory except through Moscow, block observers from well observing and having turnout rate of less than 50% with just over 50% of those voters MAYBE voting for union with Russia... I mean its decisive right? Why in the world would anybody even try to criticize that when the US is guilty of numerous more egregious crimes? So you would ignore one wrong because you want to point out another wrong? Gee like that logic... Peter's crime is irrelevant because Paul is committing a crime... Do you people have some sort of selective thinking that lets you ignore US aggression? No, I do see US aggression, I also see aggression from all other major powers that exist now, and I see the same behaviour all through history in major powers. If the US disappeared tomorrow the world most definitely would not be a better place because Putin and those like him will take over, and they will be so much worse... Geez, the best argument I ever hear from the US/Nato apologists is that what the US does is not the same? Somehow? How are they worse? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
monty16 Posted June 9, 2014 Report Posted June 9, 2014 It seems to me that you are not capable of any actual discussion because of your blind hatred for the US, this is pretty evident when you cite individuals who are responsible for millions of deaths between themselves yet you project them as holy. What I need to do is stop reading your posts because they are giving me a headache... Really the people wished it? So whats with all the Russian special forces that invaded the region? Kinda hard to say I don't like you if you have a gun to my head and are not afraid to use it. I mean what could go wrong when you have armed troops in the country, close down all external modes of travel to and from the territory except through Moscow, block observers from well observing and having turnout rate of less than 50% with just over 50% of those voters MAYBE voting for union with Russia... I mean its decisive right? So you would ignore one wrong because you want to point out another wrong? Gee like that logic... Peter's crime is irrelevant because Paul is committing a crime... No, I do see US aggression, I also see aggression from all other major powers that exist now, and I see the same behaviour all through history in major powers. If the US disappeared tomorrow the world most definitely would not be a better place because Putin and those like him will take over, and they will be so much worse... How are they worse? Yes, I know, the Russians are coming. Soon! you disingenuously and dishonestly try to say that I excuse one side and blame the other unfairly when in fact what I do is compare crimes against humanity that the US has committed with crimes of the other side. And you can't argue that so you think you need to ignore me because you are getting a headache. I think you should do just that and maybe your headache will go away. You sure have demonstrated that you aren't up to the task of doing anything else. (that's a personal attack against you) (I'm not going to roll with the punches forever so let's start to run it up the flagpole and see if Charles salutes it? Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted June 9, 2014 Author Report Posted June 9, 2014 It's not that simple....enlisted service members have to complete advancement exams for their rating or specialized MOS. Time in service and time in grade can actually work against them if they do not advance "normally". They also have to complete and pass advanced training courses at technical and leadership schools. Any NJP or other disciplinary actions in their record will also hold them back. NCOs have their own pecking order within commands based on grade and time-in-service. These "lifers" are the heart and soul of the U.S. military, without which, could not function as an all volunteer force. ughhh...trying to get past the crap in here... Thanks for the info BC, US trumpeting is useful for once. So you are saying Bergdahl can't be put in command until he completes the leadership training and is assessed successfully AND there is a direct need for a new squad leader, not just cause..... ......so he gets to call himself a SGT but it doesn't mean anything.....doesn't that dilute rank causing disdain/disenfranchisement with it? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 9, 2014 Report Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) So you are saying Bergdahl can't be put in command until he completes the leadership training and is assessed successfully AND there is a direct need for a new squad leader, not just cause..... ......so he gets to call himself a SGT but it doesn't mean anything.....doesn't that dilute rank causing disdain/disenfranchisement with it? I don't know exactly what Sgt. Bergdahl's MOS is/was....if Infantryman, then he was probably MOS 11B, and he would have to progress up the ladder of demonstrated MOS skill levels before becoming a team leader or squad leader. If tactical circumstances required his leadership due to surviving seniority or MOS specialization, then he can assume that role regardless of actual enlisted rank until relieved. Advancement in pay grade and rank varies widely throughout the U.S. Armed Forces depending on several factors and force requirements, but time-in-service/grade is at the foundation for basic promotion opportunity. A command can "spot promote" within limits set by each branch of the service as a reward/recognition of exemplary leadership and performance. Edited June 9, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted June 9, 2014 Report Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) I think I might be hurting your sensibilities by reminding you of the truth. So why not stop whining about it and offer some substantial rebuttals of what I have to say. If you can't do that then follow along with your finger while others understand what it's all about. I know you don't like it and I know you don't like me but you're going to have to get used to it without attacking me for my views. That's allowed in Canada you know! Yes, but people are allowed to attack your idiotic views... Edited June 9, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 9, 2014 Report Posted June 9, 2014 Both Saddam and Putin stand vindicated due to the simple facts of the US track record. Sputum. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 9, 2014 Report Posted June 9, 2014 I'm going to compare the US to Nazi Germany. the Iraq phony war for phony reasons equalled Nazi Germany's crimes against humanity in the same period of time. I suspect that the US's crimes against humanity is close to equalling Nazi Germany's crimes over the same 6 year period. How about you provide a rebuttal to that assertion now before you start attacking me again for my opinion? Can you do that? The thing is, nobody takes your bizarre and ignorant claims seriously enough to devote time to reciting the real historical record. They don't need to because nobody thinks your claims are anything more than loony rantings. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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