PM Harper Shows Canadian Loyalty to Israel

[DogOnPorch]

You just don't get it. International law does not apply to progressive regimes such as North Viet Nam, North Korea, Democratic Kampuchea, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas or Democratic Republic of the Congo,

I'm beginning to think this is actually true.

Some would use Poland's 1900 borders. Similar to those that would use Israel's 1944 borders or the physical placement of Jews in 1944 as a benchmark.

That's the irony...Poland has NEVER had firm borders.

Below, the Great Powers partition Poland in 1773's political cartoon 'The Twelfth Cake'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troelfth_Cake

Edited January 29, 2014 by DogOnPorch

[Rue]

Really, Rue? I mean, seriously?

There must be some kind of a problem in your brain that prevents you from understanding what you are reading:

I said:

You responded with:

Just in case you missed what you quoted from me, here it is:

that Harper, as the Canadian leader, has failed to condemn.

The underlining and bold is to illustrate how you are out to lunch, again.

First of all refrain from insulting me when responding to me.

Your words are clear. You suggested Mr. Harper through his silence is complicit in the torturing of children by Israel.

You also made an unsubstantiated allegation Israel tortures children.

Edited January 29, 2014 by Rue

[Rue]

You just don't get it. International law does not apply to progressive regimes such as North Viet Nam, North Korea, Democratic Kampuchea, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas or Democratic Republic of the Congo,

He does but it does interfere with the fact that he likes to use that law to point out how evil Israel is but then remain silent with other nations engaged in far worse activities and crimes.

I have zero problem with people criticizing Israel for violating international laws. I do have a problem when those same people remain silent when the Palestinian Authority, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Turkety, etc., break laws.

I have a problem with selecting out only Israel as if it conducts itself in a vacuum and its violation of international law occurs because it is responding to countries that do not obey international law or have no control of terrorist groups breaking international law.

The point is Israel does not have the luxury of dealing with international law followers. The 4th Geneva Convention never contemplated a war with terrorists who do not wear uniforms, attack civilians, and break every law known to humanity.

Edited January 29, 2014 by Rue

[DogOnPorch]

He does. Admitting it is another story,

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[Hudson Jones]

First of all refrain from insulting me when responding to me.

I am not trying to insult you. I really do feel that you may have an issue in translating what is being written to what you are taking away. Because I could not have made it any clearer what I had said and what I meant.

Your words are clear. You suggested Mr. Harper through his silence is complicit in the torturing of children by Israel.

You are right, my words are clear. However, you are once again wrong about what I said. Just in case, I will re-post them.

No one said Harper "supports" child torture. What I said was that Harper has failed to condemn Israel time and time again for violating international law. One of those being, child torture.

Despite quoting my comments, which could not be any clearer, you still took away something else from it.

Now that you have been caught with another obvious error, you are still not able to admit that you were wrong. Instead you are now changing your tune, by going from "you did say Harper supports child torture" to "suggest that he is complicit..".

I don't think Harper supports child torture. I think he believes the unconditional support for Israel trumps calling Israel on its violations of the law. This shows the hypocrisy and biased approach Harper takes when it comes to the Middle East and to world politics. It goes against what Canada stands for, what he supposedly stands for or what he wants us to believe he stands for.

Harper has become an embarrassment on the world stage and I do hope that the next prime minister will be able to fix Canada's reputation.

You also made an unsubstantiated allegation Israel tortures children.

Wrong again.

Palestinian children tortured, used as shields by Israel: U.N.

It voiced deep concern at the "continuous use of Palestinian children as human shields and informants", saying 14 such cases had been reported between January 2010 and March 2013 alone.

Israeli soldiers had used Palestinian children to enter potentially dangerous buildings before them and to stand in front of military vehicles to deter stone-throwing, it said.

"Almost all those using children as human shields and informants have remained unpunished and the soldiers convicted for having forced at gunpoint a nine-year-old child to search bags suspected of containing explosives only received a suspended sentence of three months and were demoted," it said.

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According to the Public Defender’s Office, it learned of the issue during a standard visit to prison complex in Ramle at the height of the storm, with the children enduring freezing temperatures and inclement weather outside a transit facility.

The children were to be held outside for a number of hours overnight after their arrest until they were to be brought to court in the early morning.

Livni’s office confirmed that she had personally intervened.

Link

Here is more:

Today, the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child accused Israeli forces of torturing Palestinian children.

The report (pdf)comes within a year of three other reports: a UNICEF report on children in military detention last winter; a British report of a year ago, Children in Military Custody, which gained wide attention for its assertion that Israel was torturing children by holding them “routinely and for substantial periods in solitary confinement;” and this Breaking the Silence report last summer on Israeli soldiers’ abuses of Palestinian children, which included many reports of children getting beaten “to a pulp.”

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[Rue]

So Hudson Jones you just proved to things in your response to me:

1-You will use this thread as a pretext to bash Israel for torturing children

2-Accuse Harper by his silence of being complicit in that torture

3-Keep repeating 2 and stating you are not

4-Be remarkably selective in that the reports you make were clearly done by pro Palestinian and not neutral observers with a vested interest

in presenting an anti Israel finding

5-Be remarkably selective in not pointing out how Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah Hawks, use those very same shields as weapons of terror and when need be shields setting the context of why these children end up in jail getting interrogated in the first place

6-Fail to prove with one shed of evidence Harper supports either side of the conflict torturing anyone.

Has Israel used excessive force when dealing with Palestinians? I do not doubt it.

The manner in which you are trying to change this thread to accuse Harper of being complicit in abuse by his alleged silence speaks for itself as does your continued partisan selectivity as to what you criticize.

When I read one thread from you where you hold Hamas and the 300 other Palestinian cells manipulating children equally as responsible as Israel for what is happening to the children of Palestine and admit they are inextricably linked and one would not happen without the other, I might take what you say seriously.

Until then its just another selective propaganda bash at Israel using this thread as a pretext to not only smear Israel but Harper and your trying to talk your way out of what you said speaks for itself as does that explanation as to why you engage in personal insults,

[Hudson Jones]

So Hudson Jones you just proved to things in your response to me:

To? You mean two?

You posted a lot more than two incoherent misinformation. You need to focus.

You are unable to grasp that the criticism of Harper is not about whether he "supports" or does "not support" child torture. The criticism is that Harper has failed to stand up for human rights and he has shown that he will be selective in condemnation based on who is doing them.