will obama and rouhani meet face to face?

[guyser]

Shahab is an Iranian ballistic missile. Probably where the confusion came from.

jbg was talking about shabab, I replied about shabab , so where is the confusion?

[DogOnPorch]

jbg was talking about shabab, I replied about shabab , so where is the confusion?

His confusion...not yours. Anyways...Shahab is a line of Iranian ballistic missiles that have been in development for quite some time. Based on North Korea's and Pakistan's ballistic missiles. They share technology. But, according to bud, HJ and GH, Iran has zero interest in turning them into weapons. Launching monkeys inside ballistic missile shrouds is just the start of Iran's manned space program...lol.

[bud]

They most certainly have several working programs. With each model, range and payload increases.

more typing without anything to back it up.

show evidence that the pentagon is wrong about iran not having ICBMs at this time.

[guyser]

His confusion...not yours. Anyways...Shahab is a line of Iranian ballistic missiles that have been in development for quite some time. Based on North Korea's and Pakistan's ballistic missiles. They share technology. But, according to bud, HJ and GH, Iran has zero interest in turning them into weapons. Launching monkeys inside ballistic missile shrouds is just the start of Iran's manned space program...lol.

Ok thanks for this.

[bud]

here is more good news - talking:

Obama speaks with Iranian President Rouhani

"Just now I spoke on the phone with President Rouhani," Obama said, noting that the conversation "underscores the deep mistrust between our countries, but also indicates the prospect of moving on that difficult history."

link

good news, right?

[GostHacked]

So what? This is about Iran and their quest for the bomb and a way to get it to its target.

You are complaining about staying on topic? Nice.

[bud]

from nbc news:

[dre]

So what? This is about Iran and their quest for the bomb and a way to get it to its target.

Not really... this is about whether or not It might be possible to prevent another conflict in the middle east that would cost Americans a lot of money for nothing in return. Even if Iran DOES have a nuclear weapons program theres still nothing to be gained for Americans by allowing the rhetoric to keep heating up and pushing them into another no-win situation.

[DogOnPorch]

You are complaining about staying on topic? Nice.

Those two aren't going to meet w/o discussing how everybody learned to love the Bomb. Always on topic with Iran.

[bud]

maybe they can also compare their intelligence which say that iran will not be capable of developing ICBMs by 2015 with your intelligence that say that iranians already have ICBMs (and the definition of ICBM)

[bud]

netanyahu will speak later today. for a transcript of what he will say, all you need to do is to look at all of his past speeches where he warns about how iran will have a bomb in a few months, starting in 1991.

Edited October 1, 2013 by bud

[DogOnPorch]

maybe they can also compare their intelligence which say that iran will not be capable of developing ICBMs by 2015 with your intelligence that say that iranians already have ICBMs (and the definition of ICBM)

You can continue to deny that Iran was several active ballistic missile programs and have successfully orbited a satellite all you like. In reality, these ballistic missiles will continue to exist and the Iranians will continue in their development. As far as nuclear weapons: of course they want them. If they don't already have a prefabricated device from one of their pals, that is.

[bud]

You can continue to deny that Iran was several active ballistic missile programs and have successfully orbited a satellite all you like.

i have never denied such a thing. i am denying your misinformation that iran has ICBMs, since they don't.

iran having ballistic missiles and a satellite launching program is all within their right. many countries have ballistic missiles and have launched satellites into space.

[DogOnPorch]

i have never denied such a thing. i am denying your misinformation that iran has ICBMs, since they don't.

iran having ballistic missiles and a satellite launching program is all within their right. many countries have ballistic missiles and have launched satellites into space.

Where do you think ICBMs come from? The ICBM tree? Your denials of Iran's ambitions in this area are merely typical for you. Of course you'll say Iran isn't developing ICBMs or atomic weapons. It's your job.

[bud]

Where do you think ICBMs come from? The ICBM tree? Your denials of Iran's ambitions in this area are merely typical for you. Of course you'll say Iran isn't developing ICBMs or atomic weapons. It's your job.

my job is to keep those who spread misinformation in check.

as it has been mentioned numerous times, even the pentagon has said iran doesn't have ICBMs. since the facts have been revealed to you and you are still repeating the same misinformation, you are no longer making a mistake. you are now lying.

[DogOnPorch]

my job is to keep those who spread misinformation in check.

as it has been mentioned numerous times, even the pentagon has said iran doesn't have ICBMs. since the facts have been revealed to you and you are still repeating the same misinformation, you are no longer making a mistake. you are now lying.

You can say I'm lying all you wish about Iran's ballistic missile programs. You'll deny it right-up until the successful test. Same with the Bomb.

[bud]

You can say I'm lying all you wish

the facts are saying you are lying.

[DogOnPorch]

the facts are saying you are lying.

So you're going to go with the following scenario: Iran is working on a half a dozen missile designs, high-speed re-entry technology, MIRVs and nuclear power...but they have ZERO interest in combining those technologies into the logical next step.

You are as naive as the CIA you wave about like a long lost family member.

[bud]

So you're going to go with the following scenario: Iran is working on a half a dozen missile designs, high-speed re-entry technology, MIRVs and nuclear power...but they have ZERO interest in combining those technologies into the logical next step.

You are as naive as the CIA you wave about like a long lost family member.

what i am saying is that they do not have ICBM's which you claimed they do. what i am saying is the truth and what you are saying is not the truth.

Edited October 2, 2013 by bud

[DogOnPorch]

what i am saying that they do not have ICBM's that you claimed they do. what i am saying is the truth and what you are saying is not the truth.

And I'm telling you that since they have been able to put payloads into orbit, this is no longer so. What's holding Iran back is re-entry shroud reliability. Some of those monkeys died, unfortunately. Iran doesn't want their expensive (nuclear) warheads burning-up over the target, after all. Remember, as your parabolic arc gets larger, the vast majority of the warhead's transit is through space rather than our atmosphere as with smaller missiles. The warhead gets very hot as it re-enters and needs a ablative shroud to protect it from damage. This is surprisingly tricky as other nations found out.

Also, just because the rocket is declared 'civilian' doesn't mean it can't also be used to mount a warhead. When their Simorgh enters full production, Iran will have a rocket comparable to the Atlas in its abilities. Their Qoqnoos will be even larger and more capable. Comparable to the Titan II. Iran's SRB program also allows smaller rockets to carry much heavier payloads, but they would be restricted to launch facilities rather than transport-erected as the majority of Iran's ballistic missiles already are. "Civilian" as well as military.

But, let's not be coy. Your job is to deny such things right-up until they become yesterday's news.

[bud]

i could care less if iran has ICBM's as long as they are following the law and their obligations. what i care about right now is confronting someone who spreads misinformation. once they have been confronted with facts and they try to deny these facts, then i know my job is done. this person loses credibility and anyone who reads them realizes this.

[GostHacked]

DoP can also feel free to ignore the recent admissions by the CIA revealing the extent in which they were involved in the coup in Iran.

[DogOnPorch]

DoP can also feel free to ignore the recent admissions by the CIA revealing the extent in which they were involved in the coup in Iran.

You know so little about that event it's laughable. What party did Mossaddeq front? What side of the Cold War did it support?

Your vision of an innocent Iran minding its own business when evil Western James Bond types burst in is false. Yet, it is the Kool-Aid being served.

i could care less if iran has ICBM's as long as they are following the law and their obligations. what i care about right now is confronting someone who spreads misinformation. once they have been confronted with facts and they try to deny these facts, then i know my job is done. this person loses credibility and anyone who reads them realizes this.

So, you finally admit Iran has ICBM programs. Yet, apparently, I'm the one that has lost credibility.

Not a ballistic missile...shhhhhh.

[DogOnPorch]

Jubilant CIA men march through Tehran while ousting the pro-Soviet Mossaddeq. Each and every one a Langley Va. graduate.

Mossaddeq supporters holding placards showing a Stalin-like Iranian hero fighting-off the US and UK. Unfortunately for these chaps, Stalin had died earlier that year. A key element of the coup overlooked by all the pundits.

[bud]

You know so little about that event it's laughable. What party did Mossaddeq front? What side of the Cold War did it support?

So, you finally admit Iran has ICBM programs. Yet, apparently, I'm the one that has lost credibility.

Not a ballistic missile...shhhhhh.

ooh. more photo posting that proves nothing.

i remember some kids in school, where the teacher would repeat information and they just wouldn't get it. but they continued to repeat the information anyway:

An Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) is a ballistic missile with a range of more than 5,500 kilometres (3,400 mi)^[1] typically designed for nuclear weapons delivery (delivering one or more nuclear warheads). Most modern designs support multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles (MIRVs), allowing a single missile to carry several warheads, each of which can strike a different target.

iran doesn't have ICBM. the pentagon acknowledges this and every other intelligence agency acknowledges this. DoP's intelligence, however, doesn't.