Does this make you angry? Psychic said Amanda Berry was Dead

[Bonam]

Yeah, me too. A parent in that position is as vulnerable as it gets, and can't be expected to show good judgement. Any straw is worth clutching in a case like that.

When you are in a "vulnerable position", that is the most important time of all to exercise good judgement.

[Guest]

When you are in a "vulnerable position", that is the most important time of all to exercise good judgement.

Yes, of course. It's not like she had anything else on her mind.

[Guest Kenneth]

I found this about the Tim Bosma missing persons case:

http://victoriastaffordapsychicinvestigation.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/tim-bosma-vision-43-149454-80-184081-beat-up-and-hurt-in-a-field-vision-400-pm-edt-11-may-2013-look-at-hwy-2-and53-worthington-dr-brant-highway-2-and-53/

Currently they have one suspect arrested and the truck was located at his residence, but no second suspect and no Tim Bosma.

[The_Squid]

I found this about the Tim Bosma missing persons case:

http://victoriastaffordapsychicinvestigation.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/tim-bosma-vision-43-149454-80-184081-beat-up-and-hurt-in-a-field-vision-400-pm-edt-11-may-2013-look-at-hwy-2-and53-worthington-dr-brant-highway-2-and-53/

Currently they have one suspect arrested and the truck was located at his residence, but no second suspect and no Tim Bosma.

Did a psychic help find him?

[Boges]

Did a psychic help find him?

Well considering he's still missing . . . no.

[Guest Kenneth]

Well considering he's still missing . . . no.

It's more like, "considering they haven't searched where she's suggested ... no."

I'm not placing any significance in what she is claiming, I just want to see if anything she claims ends up being correct.

Whatever the case, the police have had one suspect in custody for several days - no name or photo of the second suspect has been released, and there's still no Tim Bosma.

[guyser]

Police will rarely admit that a psychic helped solve a case - if you know police culture, you should know why, but I guess you don't.

I do, and a psychic has never solved a case.

How about that huh?

Oh , and dont forget, the police are approached by these fakers for the large majority part, not the other way around .

The RCMP will not use them either.

LOL

There's also a public perception concern because close-minded people such as yourself simply don't get it, as you've repeated demonstrated in this tread. So please just give it a rest - you were wrong, and just be man enough to admit it.

Well considering I blew holes in your examples, and not a person has come up with anything even remotely close to solving a case , considering the FBI have categorically said none have solved any of their cases....considering no credible material is out there espousing that shams/charlatans/seers/psychics/tarot readers/crystal ball idiots have done anything except fleece the individual.

But please, keep me entertained with Psychic solves crime stories, I like a good laugh.

[guyser]

Anyone can be a psychic....." I have a feeling/premonition , and that is....Sunday May 12th ...I see powdery white stuff and ...hmm...maybe a refrigerator like chilliness, I am sensing if you go far, maybe north , there may be something white on the ground...

Edited May 13, 2013 by guyser

[Guest Kenneth]

You didn't blow holes in my examples - you simply refused to accept them. Wouldn't surprise me if you didn't even click on the links and read the articles. The one article has a headline that states that the psychic helped the police and then explains how she did. The other is about an actual member of a police force that was going to appear on a show called "Psychic Detectives" in which real cases in which psychics helped police solve crimes. Watch the show - all have interviews with actual police officers in which they admit that psychics helped solve cases, or that they had provided information that turned out to be true. Your inability to understand or accept that some sort of other "forces" exist outside of our concept of "reality" doesn't mean that they don't exist.

[guyser]

You didn't blow holes in my examples

Sure I did. Post #40. here let me help since you refuse to read...obviously

Here is my post...

Let me quote your link, the Allison one (cant copy and paste for some reason) "Local Police would only say that Allison may have provided some psychological help in solving the Kline murder."

Police speak "may have" means naw , she didnt do squat.

The second link doesnt say a damn thing, just that the Detective got some street names from her.

Phew, street names, wow!

So man up...ok?

No psychic has ever solved a murder let alone found a missing penny.

Want to keep trying and look foolish? Be my guest.

So, to recap, your links didnt help you at all. One says 'may have' which in police speak means nada. The other doesnt even broach it. LOL.

Your inability to understand or accept that some sort of other "forces" exist outside of our concept of "reality" doesn't mean that they don't exist.

Ohhh.....beleve in psychics and fairies and unicorns and crystal balls.....sounds like um.... never mind.

Thanks for the belly laughs.

But dont you see? Im psychic, did you see my prognostication for yesterdays weather? Pretty good huh? I should hang my shingle and fleece gullible people just like all the others.

[Guest Kenneth]

Actually no psychic abilities would be consistant with the workings of time and space according to quantum mechanics, not fanciful fairy tales (like the origin and first occupancy "rights" that you Indian friends espouse). I don't claim to have a full understanding of how physics works, doesn't mean that I dismiss it - same too when it comes to psychics.

[GostHacked]

Evidently the police officers who seek their input don't share your view, and that's what my comments were in regards to - their seeking the help of psychics to help solve crimes.

It's called desperation, in that they have failed to get clues/answers through their normal processes.

[Guest Kenneth]

So what does it say when these acts of "desperation" yield clues that help solves cases?

[The_Squid]

So what does it say when these acts of "desperation" yield clues that help solves cases?

They don't....

[GostHacked]

So what does it say when these acts of "desperation" yield clues that help solves cases?

They got lucky.

[guyser]

They don't....

Yup

And its also the reason no one wants post up any case a psychic solved the crime.

They can't.

[Guest Kenneth]

Yup

And its also the reason no one wants post up any case a psychic solved the crime.

They can't.

I've already done so, and there are numerous other cases where theyve helped solve a crime. Youre refusal to accept facts when theyre presented to you only speaks to your own ignorance.

Edited May 15, 2013 by Kenneth

[guyser]

I've already done so, and there are numerous other cases where theyve helped solve a crime. Youre refusal to accept facts when theyre presented to you only speaks to your own ignorance.

LOL

So, you want to be pantsed a third time in public?

I showed you exactly how lame any connection was....or rather how there wasnt really any connection, but hey, you can keep on telling BS.

Lets see now, a person who sees communism in our Judicial system, and believes in unicorns , Loch Ness and psychics.

Comedy gold Jerry !

[The_Squid]

He also believes in physics...

[Guest Kenneth]

believes in unicorns , Loch Ness and psychics.

Well, no, but I do believe there are such things as trolls.

You have yet to provide any evidence that psychic abilities are not possible. Until you can do so, you've lost this argument and I see no point in furthering the discussion.

[Boges]

Well, no, but I do believe there are such things as trolls.

You have yet to provide any evidence that psychic abilities are not possible. Until you can do so, you've lost this argument and I see no point in furthering the discussion.

cue "You can't prove a negative"

[TimG]

You have yet to provide any evidence that psychic abilities are not possible.

The human thought consists of electro-chemical impulses passing through clusters of nerves. The physics of electricity and chemistry is well defined and there is absolutely no physical mechanism that would allow information to enter the brain without passing through the sensory organs (eyes, nose, ears, touch or taste). I consider this to be sufficient evidence that psychic abilities are impossible given our knowledge of physics.

Obviously, one can propose that some parallel universe exists with different rules and the human mind has some connection to it but it is not clear what this physical connection might be based on since any information coming from this alternate reality would have to be translated to the electro-chemical impulses which our brains use.

The one mechanism that might make sense ironically comes from satire: the infinite improbability drive.

i.e. pure random chance causes ideas to materialize in the mind that happens to match reality somewhere else and some people just happen to be 'luckier' than others.

This would explain why psychic abilities are never consistent enough to allow them to be scientifically tested.

Edited May 15, 2013 by TimG

[guyser]

cue "You can't prove a negative"

One would think that is obvious , but apparently not.

Its gone from " I proved it" (and didnt) to now saying "prove it" ....and that cannot be done.

[GostHacked]

He also believes in physics...

The correct spelling is key here.

Physics - science

psychics - not science.

[Guest Kenneth]

The human thought consists of electro-chemical impulses passing through clusters of nerves. The physics of electricity and chemistry is well defined and there is absolutely no physical mechanism that would allow information to enter the brain without passing through the sensory organs (eyes, nose, ears, touch or taste). I consider this to be sufficient evidence that psychic abilities are impossible given our knowledge of physics.

Obviously, one can propose that some parallel universe exists with different rules and the human mind has some connection to it but it is not clear what this physical connection might be based on since any information coming from this alternate reality would have to be translated to the electro-chemical impulses which our brains use.

The one mechanism that might make sense ironically comes from satire: the infinite improbability drive.

i.e. pure random chance causes ideas to materialize in the mind that happens to match reality somewhere else and some people just happen to be 'luckier' than others.

This would explain why psychic abilities are never consistent enough to allow them to be scientifically tested.

Psychic phenomena doesn't seem to be inconsistent with physics and there's no doubt that our current understanding of physics is severely limited. There is also a considerable amount of empirical evidence to suggest that humans somehow in some cases can pass information between one another in an "extrasensory" manner. Common examples of this are found among twins. "Pure random chance" simply cannot explain this.

Edited May 17, 2013 by Kenneth