Haligonian Rapists & Boston Bombers

[jacee]

My OP raised the phenomenal hypocrisy of Justin Trudeau's comment.

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Why does the Left understand that some psychopaths should be locked away forever and yet in the case of other criminals, we should understand their situation, as if these criminals were a "victim" of circumstance?

According to Trudeau Jnr, we should try to understand Osama bin Laden. And yet, supporters of Trudeau want Russell Williams (for example) locked away forever.

Any good cop will tell you that to lock up criminals and prevent future similar crimes, you have to get inside the head of the perps.

Why is good criminal investigation so hard for 'the right' to grasp?

[PIK]

Sometimes I wonder, kimmy.

That's a ridiculous straw-man.

-k

[August1991]

Sorry, everyone. It's no longer fun to comment on this forum. I find it hard to quote other posts, and provide links. I can't easily format my posts as before. I don't know if this difficulty is due to Windows 8 or Greg's new forum software. I suspect the latter.

Anyway, here goes. And I'll try to be clear since above, my flippancy has sadly caused (?) confusion.

And yet you declined the opportunity to explain which two items on Moonlight's 3 item list you don't consider important functions of the penal system. Even Rick Perry could get to two, August.

Kimmy, I never agreed with MG's 3 items. I simply said that criminal law/penal system had a single goal: create incentives so that there is less crime.

I agree that it is better to live in a society of honest people. But getting from A to B is less obvious than you may think.

I wish I could say that comparing the penal system to McDonald's is the silliest thing you've said this week, but I don't think it's even in the top 5.

At least the McDo system works. Our penal system doesn't.

Blatchford appears to be arguing against a lynch-mob mentality and pointing out that peoples' information about the Parsons' case has come mostly from the Parsons' family's version of events. I'm unable to access the comments, but I assume that it did not go well for her.

Are you sure it is The Left that pilloried Blatchford? I heard some of the Charles Adler show shortly after Parsons' suicide, and Adlers' right-wing audience seemed enraged too.

Well, Blatchford merely asked readers to look at the "context" of the crime. Unlike Trudeau Jnr, She didn't ask readers to "understand" the rapists.

This whole premise that people who want to understand what motivated Tsarnaev don't think he should be punished is just stupid. But I guess on Planet August where prisons are like McDonald's, the idea that we could learn to identify or prevent future radicals from studying Tsarnaev is just too radical. "No tickee no washee" indeed.

-k

Look Kimmy, imagine if Justin Trudeau had asked people to "understand" the motivations/sense of exclusion of the Nova Scotia rapists? Would he have won any votes?

But he asks us to "understand" the motivations/sense of exclusion of the Boston bombers.

Politicians get votes where they can.

Edited May 7, 2013 by August1991

[August1991]

Any good cop will tell you that to lock up criminals and prevent future similar crimes, you have to get inside the head of the perps.

Why is good criminal investigation so hard for 'the right' to grasp?

Cops have to do this. But should a politician ask the general population to do the same?

If Stephen Harper asked Canadians to "understand" the sense of exclusion of Paul Bernardo, do you think that Harper would win votes?

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I dislike hypotheticals, or such comparisons, but this thread has forced my hand.

In the midst of the October 1970 crisis, did Trudeau Snr ask English (or French) Canadians to understand the motivations/sense of exclusion of the FLQ?

No, he made use of an old federal law, enacted during WWI but never applied, to put soldiers in front of colleges/universities around Quebec and to arrest in the middle of the night hundreds of people.

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To his credit, on the night of 20 May, Trudeau Snr was very generous. But then, he knew that he was speaking to millions - not a few terrorists. Maybe Trudeau Jnr misunderstood the nuance.

Edited May 7, 2013 by August1991

[August1991]

Are you sure it is The Left that pilloried Blatchford? I heard some of the Charles Adler show shortly after Parsons' suicide, and Adlers' right-wing audience seemed enraged too.

To me, this is the key comment.

I suspect that kimmy, you and I have a different view of right and left. But as I say, Canada's federal politics are regional - not ideological.