Bonam Posted March 20, 2013 Report Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) My question is did the poor, innocent fair evader somehow instigate the attack by being a smart-ass or trying to bully the crazy-man? Such considerations are irrelevant. Being a "smart-ass" is hardly deserving of capital punishment. Edited March 20, 2013 by Bonam Quote
August1991 Posted March 20, 2013 Author Report Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) Nobody goes to jail for jaywalking. The charge of riding transit without paying might be a clue... I saw hobos and vagrants and panhandlers get busted for that more than once, when I lived in Edmonton. Huh? Apparently a provincial government bureaucrat in a federal State can send an individual to jail for jaywalking, and then the person dies. Kimmy, I have a different view of a civilized State. In my civilized State, a bureaucrat suffers largely the consequences of an error - just as most of us do in real life. Edited March 20, 2013 by August1991 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 20, 2013 Report Posted March 20, 2013 In my civilized State, a bureaucrat suffers largely the consequences of an error - just as most of us do in real life.Right - but in a civilized society - random accidents are not attributed to those who had a minor part in their occurrence. There's a famous court case that established the concept of partial fault: someone discarded gasoline into a public garbage can, and somebody else, unknowing, discarded a cigarette there. The latter man was deemed to only be partially "at fault". What cases such as the one you point out illustrate is that - yes - things go bad and corrections must be made in various ways. But the tools for the system to correct itself are inadequate. And we already know this. What kind of tools would be adequate for system correction and improvement ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
guyser Posted March 20, 2013 Report Posted March 20, 2013 Huh? Apparently a provincial government bureaucrat in a federal State can send an individual to jail for jaywalking, No one sent anyone to jail for jaywalking. Why is this so hard for some to fathom? Quote
shortlived Posted March 20, 2013 Report Posted March 20, 2013 No one sent anyone to jail for jaywalking. Why is this so hard for some to fathom? What was he having sex with a little kid while crossing the road and somehow that info was omitted from the report? Quote My posts are sometimes edited to create spelling errors if you see one kindly notify me. These edits do not show up as edits as my own edits do, so it is either site moderation, or third party moderation. This includes changing words completely. If a word looks out of place in a message kindly contact me so I can correct it. These changes are not exclusive to this website, and is either a form of net stalking by a malicious hacker, or perhaps government, it has been ongoing for years now.
guyser Posted March 20, 2013 Report Posted March 20, 2013 What was he having sex with a little kid while crossing the road and somehow that info was omitted from the report? What the hell? Read the link, it spells it out in english. Quote
shortlived Posted March 22, 2013 Report Posted March 22, 2013 (edited) I think you need to read into what you read, and what it means, water doesn't come from your tap. If you think it does, you don't know life. The source is much further from the faucet. Edited March 22, 2013 by shortlived Quote My posts are sometimes edited to create spelling errors if you see one kindly notify me. These edits do not show up as edits as my own edits do, so it is either site moderation, or third party moderation. This includes changing words completely. If a word looks out of place in a message kindly contact me so I can correct it. These changes are not exclusive to this website, and is either a form of net stalking by a malicious hacker, or perhaps government, it has been ongoing for years now.
guyser Posted March 22, 2013 Report Posted March 22, 2013 Sorry, I will make it easy for you ... Stewart, 59, was serving a two-day sentence for failing to pay fines Capice? Quote
shortlived Posted March 23, 2013 Report Posted March 23, 2013 (edited) Sorry, I will make it easy for you ... Capice? oh and where did those fines, and the title of this thread come from? You are drinking tap water not water from your processing plant. He was killed because he walked across a street and took public transport. People in Syria have better luck than that. Probably funded with his tax dollars. Both the road and the transportation. Then they lock him up and would be required to feed him for however long he was locked up, and that would cost probably way more than the paperwork which probably cost more than him riding the public transit. Obviously crossing a street don't cost no one money. It is a street crossing fee, roads are not tollways. None the less you are just ignorantly denying the fact that they probably shoved him in jail to scare him out of skipping paying the bill. Instead the nut skipped on him. Dude the government is wrong with this stuff, it makes no bloody sense. The system has been made by a bunch of idiots and is being held as tradition by a bunch of idiots. Either that or it was a hit by corrupt officials. Also the fare jumping was probably well within the tax credit range, just more red tape to prevent freedom of the public. Edited March 23, 2013 by shortlived Quote My posts are sometimes edited to create spelling errors if you see one kindly notify me. These edits do not show up as edits as my own edits do, so it is either site moderation, or third party moderation. This includes changing words completely. If a word looks out of place in a message kindly contact me so I can correct it. These changes are not exclusive to this website, and is either a form of net stalking by a malicious hacker, or perhaps government, it has been ongoing for years now.
August1991 Posted March 23, 2013 Author Report Posted March 23, 2013 (edited) Re-reading this thread, Kimmy's post caught my eye: Obviously having "connections" would help in any situation. But to August's point, you don't need to be married to a Trudeau to avoid doing jail time for jaywalking. First, "connections"? I always liked the American Express ads where a guy without shirt or shoes wandered into a 5-star hotel and then produced The Card. (It doesn't matter whether you're green, white, black, female, short, small... If you've got the money.) Second, "jaywalking" and "connections"? We're not talking about access to a heart surgery team, or having contacts to solve a complex tax issue. Heck, we're not even talking about the contacts to know how the tax/health system operates or even the implications of various tax/health choices. ---- A guy died in State custody. No State employee suffers in any way. Kimmy, in such a society, the incentives are severely misaligned. If a State employee can get away with murder, then a State employee can easily spend other people's money. Edited March 23, 2013 by August1991 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 23, 2013 Report Posted March 23, 2013 A guy died in State custody. No State employee suffers in any way. Kimmy, in such a society, the incentives are severely misaligned. If a State employee can get away with murder, then a State employee can easily spend other people's money. Your take on this is bizarre. Why the emphasis on 'punishment' ? Accidents happen too. I concur with the point that there's ultimately a low amount of accountability for unwanted outcomes in our public system - BUT when you arrive at the problem with your solution in hand, as you have here, it doesn't convince others that you want to engage in an objective discussion of facts. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
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