My Calgary Home?

[jdobbin]

That's your construct not mine....I stated a 4 to 1 ratio for all immigration, legal or otherwise. Try to untangle your own ball of knots.

Now you're just spinning again.

[bush_cheney2004]

Now you're just spinning again.

Yet you keep coming back for more. I don't think you like the "ratio" and net loss to Canada, whether it be legal or not. Must be the "climate"!

[jdobbin]

Yet you keep coming back for more. I don't think you like the "ratio" and net loss to Canada, whether it be legal or not. Must be the "climate"!

You'll killing me! My sides are hurting from laughing at your lies.

[bush_cheney2004]

Wed May 3 ,2000

DETROIT - Two Canadians have been arrested in connection with a human smuggling operation. A man from Winnipeg and one from Toronto face charges.

The two are accused of being the ring leaders in an operation that smuggled people from China to Canada and then helps them enter the U.S.

They appeared in a Detroit court Wednesday afternoon.

Two other Canadians are also being held by police, and two high ranking Chinese officials are under indictment. It's unclear if they will be arrested.

Last summer, Canadian authorities intercepted four boats carrying 600 migrants.

They came from Fujian province in China. U.S. authorities have indicted two senior Chinese officials from that province.

The U.S. government estimates 20,000 Chinese migrants try to illegally enter Canada and the U.S. each year.

[Canuck E Stan]

Wed May 3 ,2000? No news like really old news.

- Did you have to look through those old newspapers in the garage to find this one?

By the way,illegal Chinese from China do not become illegal Canadians when they cross the border to the U.S.

[bush_cheney2004]

Wed May 3 ,2000? No news like really old news.

- Did you have to look through those old newspapers in the garage to find this one?

By the way,illegal Chinese from China do not become illegal Canadians when they cross the border to the U.S.

Really? Tell us something we don't know. They just want a new Calgary home like those 'merkins.

[jdobbin]

The U.S. government estimates 20,000 Chinese migrants try to illegally enter Canada and the U.S. each year.

Oh yes, and that somehow makes it 20,000 a year coming via Canada into the U.S.

[bush_cheney2004]

Oh yes, and that somehow makes it 20,000 a year coming via Canada into the U.S.

It's probably more than that. This is just the known traffic! Canadians need guns...Americans need dope and cheap labor.

[jdobbin]

It's probably more than that. This is just the known traffic! Canadians need guns...Americans need dope and cheap labor.

You're the funniest guy on this forum. It's amazing how creative you are.

You grab a quote without a link no less from seven years ago and think it is applicable to what is happening now.

[bush_cheney2004]

You're the funniest guy on this forum. It's amazing how creative you are.

You grab a quote without a link no less from seven years ago and think it is applicable to what is happening now.

Sure as hell is.....read and weep:

And it ought to be self-evident: new immigrants will indeed head for greener US pastures as soon as possible: they have absolutely NO connection with Canada (other than entry point). If we are losing home-grown and educated Canadians - what kind of idiot would imagine newly-minted "citizens" will hang around to be over-taxed?

http://www.canadafirst.net/news/going_sout...etter_life.html

[jdobbin]

Sure as hell is.....read and weep:

And it ought to be self-evident: new immigrants will indeed head for greener US pastures as soon as possible: they have absolutely NO connection with Canada (other than entry point). If we are losing home-grown and educated Canadians - what kind of idiot would imagine newly-minted "citizens" will hang around to be over-taxed?

That page won't even open. What is it? Anecdotal evidence that 20,000 illegal Canadians are headed to the U.S. each year but that it is okay because they don't pose a threat to national security?

You get your information from a white supremacist site?

Edited August 12, 2007 by jdobbin

[Drea]

Sorry American Woman...

about the link part of my post.

I said: "whoever said" as I was too lazy to go back and see who said it. It wasn't you.

And I also said they are there by choice OR because they are druggies. I did not say druggies choose to be druggies. Of course they DO usually try that meth the first time by choice. After that they're hooked. I'm hooked on cigarettes -- it is my choice to continue smoking is it not?

Anyway...

People are moving to BC and AB in droves for the jobs and the beauty of both provinces.

[Guest American Woman]

Sorry American Woman...

about the link part of my post.

I said: "whoever said" as I was too lazy to go back and see who said it. It wasn't you.

And I also said they are there by choice OR because they are druggies. I did not say druggies choose to be druggies. Of course they DO usually try that meth the first time by choice. After that they're hooked. I'm hooked on cigarettes -- it is my choice to continue smoking is it not?

Anyway...

People are moving to BC and AB in droves for the jobs and the beauty of both provinces.

Thank you.

Now about those addicts: surely you don't think it's simply a matter of choice for an addict to continue taking drugs or not?? And while they may have tried meth for the first time by choice, they didn't do it with the idea of becoming an addict. So it's not a lifestyle choice to become homeless because of drug addition.

I'd wager a good chunk of money that most people on the streets didn't choose, in sound mind and body, to live on the streets. I've never yet read an encounter of a homeless person or ex-homeless person who said they were there by choice; and when I see a homeless person sleeping huddled over an air vent trying to stay warm, they don't look as if they are there by choice to me.

As for people moving to BC and AB in droves for the jobs and beauty, I don't doubt it. As I said, the original post that I was responding to was in response to a post about CANADA, not BC and/or Alberta, and as such, I assumed the response would be referring to CANADA. And it's ludicrous to say anyone in Canada is unempolyed because they don't want to work. I still question that statement regarding BC and Alberta, but I've already posted my comments about that.

According to what was said, though, not enough people are moving to Alberta to fill the job market-- as Canadians move south to the States instead of moving to Alberta. I think it's a legitimate question to wonder why. Evidently the States must offer something that Canada doesn't, which is, I believe, the point bush_cheney2004 was making.

Edited August 12, 2007 by American Woman

[Drea]

I suppose (and this is all conjecture as I have no stats on it) that there are more opportunities in a larger centre (the USA) than a small one (Canada).

Sort of like moving from a small town to a big city. There are more opportunities in the big city.

Also one can completely "lose" themselves in a large populace. I remember a young friend of mine wanted to move to LA so he could be "anonymous". And of course the largest centres - New York, LA all are wonderful fun. Lots of people, lots of clubs, lots to do.

I don't think, however, that the lack of bodies in AB and BC are a direct result of bodies moving to the states. Those bodies would move south whether there were jobs available here or not. Friend of mine moved because he didn't like the "politics" of Canada. He went to Florida in 1994. Perhaps he was the swing vote for GW (he was a wannabe Republican when I knew him and maaan did we argue LOL)

We simply don't have enough people to fill the jobs. Every single one of my clients is hiring. All 50 of them.

[Drea]

Sure as hell is.....read and weep:

And it ought to be self-evident: new immigrants will indeed head for greener US pastures as soon as possible: they have absolutely NO connection with Canada (other than entry point). If we are losing home-grown and educated Canadians - what kind of idiot would imagine newly-minted "citizens" will hang around to be over-taxed?

http://www.canadafirst.net/news/going_sout...etter_life.html

What good is this useless information? It was written before America started going down the crapper.

You still looking over that Berlin wall? Booga Booga the commies are coming for you!

Edited August 12, 2007 by Drea

[jdobbin]

What good is this useless information? It was written before America started going down the crapper.

You still looking over that Berlin wall? Booga Booga the commies are coming for you!

The page finally opened for me. I asked for a better cite than one from seven years ago and I get...a new cite from seven years ago. And from a white supremacist website no less! Yikes.

Edited August 12, 2007 by jdobbin

[jdobbin]

As for people moving to BC and AB in droves for the jobs and beauty, I don't doubt it. As I said, the original post that I was responding to was in response to a post about CANADA, not BC and/or Alberta, and as such, I assumed the response would be referring to CANADA. And it's ludicrous to say anyone in Canada is unempolyed because they don't want to work. I still question that statement regarding BC and Alberta, but I've already posted my comments about that.

According to what was said, though, not enough people are moving to Alberta to fill the job market-- as Canadians move south to the States instead of moving to Alberta. I think it's a legitimate question to wonder why. Evidently the States must offer something that Canada doesn't, which is, I believe, the point bush_cheney2004 was making.

You're quite right that not everyone unemployed is that way because they don't want to work. While there might be jobs for the asking in much of Canada right now, some people are unemployable for a variety of reasons. Some of it has little to do with desire to work.

Alberta is busy beyond its capacity to adequately house people. They probably could attract even more if not for the reason that some arrive in that province, get a good job but have to live at a camping ground because there are no apartments, condos or houses available that aren't being snapped up or bid upon by many people.

Canadian immigration remains high but recruitment of immigrants from the United States was not a priority. Some Conservatives will probably say that this was a deliberate policy of the Liberals but I have not seen anything to indicate such. Certainly since the Tories got into power, the recruitment of American immigrants has jumped dramatically.

Canadians have always immigrated to the U.S. for a number of reasons. I've never had problems with that. However, I've always wondered why the Canadian government was so inactive in recruiting American immigrants to Canada. We have seriously recruited in China, India and the Philippines. Some of the provinces have recruited heavily in Germany, Israel Argentina and Britain with their provincial nominee programs. Few have recruited in the U.S. until this past year.

Edited August 12, 2007 by jdobbin

[bush_cheney2004]

The page finally opened for me. I asked for a better cite than one from seven years ago and I get...a new cite from seven years ago. And from a white supremacist website no less! Yikes.

Then do your own homework. The citation was interesting because it pointed out another angle I hadn't even considered, namely that many successful immigrants are not going to stick around Canada for higher taxes (there's a bit of Republican in them!).

White supremacists need love too.

[jdobbin]

Then do your own homework. The citation was interesting because it pointed out another angle I hadn't even considered, namely that many successful immigrants are not going to stick around Canada for higher taxes (there's a bit of Republican in them!).

White supremacists need love too.

I'm sure you give them lots of love.

[Guest American Woman]

You're quite right that not everyone unemployed is that way because they don't want to work. While there might be jobs for the asking in much of Canada right now, some people are unemployable for a variety of reasons. Some of it has little to do with desire to work.

Alberta is busy beyond its capacity to adequately house people. They probably could attract even more if not for the reason that some arrive in that province, get a good job but have to live at a camping ground because there are no apartments, condos or houses available that aren't being snapped up or bid upon by many people.

Canadian immigration remains high but recruitment of immigrants from the United States was not a priority. Some Conservatives will probably say that this was a deliberate policy of the Liberals but I have not seen anything to indicate such. Certainly since the Tories got into power, the recruitment of American immigrants has jumped dramatically.

Canadians have always immigrated to the U.S. for a number of reasons. I've never had problems with that. However, I've always wondered why the Canadian government was so inactive in recruiting American immigrants to Canada. We have seriously recruited in China, India and the Philippines. Some of the provinces have recruited heavily in Germany, Israel Argentina and Britain with their provincial nominee programs. Few have recruited in the U.S. until this past year.

As far as Alberta being busy beyond its capacity to adequately house people, I've done some reading about that. I'm guessing, because of the housing shortage, that more than a few of the jobs available are in the construction business-- which will level off as the population levels off. Furthermore, with housing prices now 'going through the roof,' I'm afraid some of the people paying those high prices will find themselves in the same position some in Dallas found themselves in once the job market/population levels off, because the value of those houses will go down as demand goes down. This seems to be what happens in most places that have a sudden boom. I'd be curious to know if the 'oil rebate check' that Albertans receive has anything to do with the present boom.

I've noticed that Canada doesn't exactly encourage immigration from the States and have, like you, have wondered why. I really can't even speculate on a reason.

About the number of Canadians moving to the United States-- it would be interesting to know how many actually stay here for any length of time vs how many return to Canada.

[White Doors]

They may be unemployed because they have a skill and they don't want to work at Burger King, but that's not quite the same as being unemployed because they don't want to work.

I see... So they choose NOT to work at Burger King and ne homeless, but Homelessness is not a choice?

Also, Are you saying that being unemployed and homeless is better than working at Burger King?

Do YOU even know what you are saying?

[White Doors]

I'd be curious to know if the 'oil rebate check' that Albertans receive has anything to do with the present boom.

Yes, the fact my house doubled in value in 3 years is because everyone got a $400 check from the gov't....

that's it!

[jdobbin]

As far as Alberta being busy beyond its capacity to adequately house people, I've done some reading about that. I'm guessing, because of the housing shortage, that more than a few of the jobs available are in the construction business-- which will level off as the population levels off. Furthermore, with housing prices now 'going through the roof,' I'm afraid some of the people paying those high prices will find themselves in the same position some in Dallas found themselves in once the job market/population levels off, because the value of those houses will go down as demand goes down. This seems to be what happens in most places that have a sudden boom. I'd be curious to know if the 'oil rebate check' that Albertans receive has anything to do with the present boom.

I've noticed that Canada doesn't exactly encourage immigration from the States and have, like you, have wondered why. I really can't even speculate on a reason.

About the number of Canadians moving to the United States-- it would be interesting to know how many actually stay here for any length of time vs how many return to Canada.

Alberta does have a knowledge of the boom/bust cycle. It has happened a number of times. Sometimes they blame Ottawa but just as often it has come from an international drop in commodity prices and a recession.

This latest boom has been sustained growth for some time. The one difference this time is that oil is being soaked up by nations like China and India in a way they weren't twenty years ago. A world-wide recession might reduce demand somewhat but for Alberta, it is the type of breather they might need.

I don't know that the oil rebate drew people to Alberta as much it was a ploy for support of people who already lived there.

A number of people who moved to Alberta are headed back to their original provinces after making some money. Saskatchewan has benefited from this trend particularly.

As far as people moving back to Canada from the U.S., there are no stats on that. Anecdotally, some people do stints in the U.S. as part of their jobs. I think a case in point are Canadian astronauts and their families who live in Houston for years. Most of the former astronauts like Bondar and Garneau head back to Canada for jobs once their stint at NASA are up.

I for one think that Canada should have been doing more recruiting of immigrants in the U.S. I have no idea why it wasn't a priority. As I said, the Canadian government bent over backwards for places like South Africa, Israel and Hong Kong but were weak on Britain and the U.S.

[Guest American Woman]

I see... So they choose NOT to work at Burger King and ne homeless, but Homelessness is not a choice?

Also, Are you saying that being unemployed and homeless is better than working at Burger King?

Do YOU even know what you are saying?

Yes, the fact my house doubled in value in 3 years is because everyone got a $400 check from the gov't....

that's it!

I've got to say-- there are a few Canadians on this board who are definitely disproving the "Canadians are nice/polite" stereotype, the above quotes being the latest.

[Guest American Woman]

Alberta does have a knowledge of the boom/bust cycle. It has happened a number of times. Sometimes they blame Ottawa but just as often it has come from an international drop in commodity prices and a recession.

This latest boom has been sustained growth for some time. The one difference this time is that oil is being soaked up by nations like China and India in a way they weren't twenty years ago. A world-wide recession might reduce demand somewhat but for Alberta, it is the type of breather they might need.

I don't know that the oil rebate drew people to Alberta as much it was a ploy for support of people who already lived there.

A number of people who moved to Alberta are headed back to their original provinces after making some money. Saskatchewan has benefited from this trend particularly.

As far as people moving back to Canada from the U.S., there are no stats on that. Anecdotally, some people do stints in the U.S. as part of their jobs. I think a case in point are Canadian astronauts and their families who live in Houston for years. Most of the former astronauts like Bondar and Garneau head back to Canada for jobs once their stint at NASA are up.

I for one think that Canada should have been doing more recruiting of immigrants in the U.S. I have no idea why it wasn't a priority. As I said, the Canadian government bent over backwards for places like South Africa, Israel and Hong Kong but were weak on Britain and the U.S.

Texas cities seem to have boom/bust cycles, too. I'm not sure how the new worldwide demand for oil is playing into their current situation. I know Alaska has the 'oil rebate' for its citizens too. As a citizen of a state other than Alaska, I think the whole nation should share in the wealth.

The fact that people who moved to Alberta are already moving back to their home provinces after making some money kind of supports the theory that people who are buying houses at inflated prices could very well find the value going down. It might be great that houses are worth a lot right now, but unless one is cashing in on it by selling their house right now, it's no guarentee what the future will bring, just like today's stock market prices aren't a measure of worth 10-20 years down the line.

One final comment on the lack of recruiting/encouraging Americans and Brits to move to Canada-- I wonder if it's because of a desire to make Canada more diverse? Do you think it would be in keeping with its image?