Judge laments refusal of police to enforce the law

[Wilber]

The police have similar thoughts about the judiciary.

Tweet from a local cop.

"We hunted for 3 weeks someone with 27 charges and 14 warrants. Finally caught them in a hotel. Released the next day. Job security."

[blueblood]

There were fifteen protestors at the latest site. Don't give me any BS about it being too dangerous to move them out of the way or arrest them. The police didn't seem to mind beating on thousands of protestors during the G20. In fact, I didn't see the least hesitation or restraint there. But when it comes to natives protests they're suddenly cringing little girls afraid to say a bad word.

Are you a self defense instructor now?

The G20 was far more organized and had the manpower to deal with protestors. If you will also note that during the first day the protestors got to run rough shod all over Toronto looting businesses and torching police cars because people like you want excessive checks and balances, yet you guys complain about the police not doing their jobs, yet when they quickly restore order using justifiable force you bitch about them being heavy handed. The g20 is another reason why they're not going to intervene on this because a bunch of armchair quarterbacks pissed and moaned. It's heads I win tails you lose with you.

If you know how policing should be done, walk to the nearest police station and pick up an application.

[Argus]

Are you a self defense instructor now?

You think I need to be to recognize that the OPP can handle fifteen unarmed protestors, many of them women?

The G20 was far more organized and had the manpower to deal with protestors

You think the OPP can't deal with fifteen unarmed protestors without months of preparation? Just how stupid and incompetent do you think cops are anyway?

. If you will also note that during the first day the protestors got to run rough shod all over Toronto looting businesses and torching police cars because people like you want excessive checks and balances

Maybe this happened in your imaginary world, but in reality, all that happened was a mob of a couple of hundred teenagers smashed some windows and spray painted graffiti, and then when police ran screaming into the night, casting off their uniforms in terror, some guy set fire to a couple of police cars the cops had abandoned when they ran away.

yet you guys complain about the police not doing their jobs

When the police aren't doing their jobs I complain about them not doing their jobs. Yes, correct. You find that shocking?

, yet when they quickly restore order using justifiable force you bitch about them being heavy handed.

On the contrary, when they quickly restore order using justifiable force I applaud them. When they run rampant, attacking innocent citizens at random, committing multiple unprovoked assaults, arresting people without charge, then yes, I do indeed accuse them of being incompetent morons who need to be fired.

The g20 is another reason why they're not going to intervene on this because a bunch of armchair quarterbacks pissed and moaned. It's heads I win tails you lose with you

So you're saying there's no room for police to act professionally? They either do nothing, or they turn into a mob of thugs hammering everyone in sight, reporters, children, whoever they happen to spot on the street. They aren't capable of anything else?

If you know how policing should be done, walk to the nearest police station and pick up an application.

I pay for others to do manual labour. And I resent the fact these particular manual labourers are grossly overpaid, grossly undertrained, and largely incompetent, under largely incompetent leadership. And, btw, I'm a big supporter of law and order. However, if you're a fan of what they did during the G20, then you definitely are not.,

[Signals.Cpl]

Disregarding the lack of clarity on which economy you're talking about, yes, the federal government can't override a provincial government in its jurisdiction; it would be flat-out unconstitutional to do otherwise. The hypothetical situation you paint is ludicrous, though; what provincial government would allow its own province's civil society to fall apart to the point where the provincial economy was destroyed? What legislature would let the government do that? What lieutenant governor? How many voters?

You don't think its possible for a provincial government to avoid action even through daily "protests" that block major highways and the rail transportation routes, I wouldn't put it past them to hold off for long enough to do some real damage to the provincial economy. Something has to be done but few want to be the first to suggest an action because they are afraid of the consequences should it turn violent.

The military can only be mobilised to enforce law in a province at the request of the province's government, as happened in the October Crisis.

Unless there is an emergency within multiple provinces if I am not mistaking then the government has to consult with the lieutenant governor of the province(s) concerned but as far as I understand it it is a decision by the federal government. The government cannot act on its own to get the emergencies act if the affected area is only within one province and the province has not requested federal government assistance.

[Political Smash]

This is a provincial matter.

We have Provincial police, Municipal police, and Federal police ... you didn't know this?

However, the judge was absolutely right. He also criticises the government--the "civillian overseers" of the police, as he puts it--for its inaction, which is where I think the ultimate blame lies. Though, it is the voters' responsibility to deal with that.

Oh really and yet many people get voted into office then turn around and seem to forget their platform! You appear to be making up excuses for allowing people to get away with breaking the law and you blame voters???

We have laws, if certain people are breaking those laws and are getting away with it while Officials know about it then how come the people who pay their wages are expected to suffer the consequences for doing the exact same thing?!! The Canadian governments are discriminating those who pay their wages while putting on a pedestal those who do not pay their wages and you are blaming tax payers LMFAO because if I don't laugh I'm likely going to have a stroke sitting here! which paid official are you I wonder ...

David Jeffrey Spetch

Ps. Be good, be strong!

[Political Smash]

Oh governing officials love that some of the people from the First Nations desecrate the Sir John A Statue, proof of this is that there are no consequences

/ David

Edited January 13, 2013 by Political Smash

[Smallc]

We have Provincial police, Municipal police, and Federal police ... you didn't know this?

I would suggest a short read through the Constitution before engaging g_bambino on issues such as this.

[Political Smash]

I would suggest a short read through the Constitution before engaging g_bambino on issues such as this.

I genuinely appreciate the suggestion Smallc.

David Jeffrey Spetch

Ps. Be good, be strong!

[Smallc]

Provinces are responsible for the implementation of justice. There are, yes, provincial police forces, but those municipalities are in fact themselves simply creations of the provinces.

[Political Smash]

Whether or not Municipalities are factually creations of the Provinces, how do you formulate that it in any way shape or form justifies the Provinces ultimately through police forces allowing First or Six Nations getting away with breaking the law ?...

/ David

Edited January 13, 2013 by Political Smash

[Smallc]

I think that the police should be enforcing the law, whether they are answerable to a municipality, or directly to the provinces. The point he was making is that Ottawa cannot step in without a request to do so.

[Political Smash]

Gee whiz, try and bait someone into a deeper political discussion and someone else's good intentions foil the plan lol well thanks for taking the time SmallC, I gather you didn't get the private message I sent you?

and you think that police should, I think that government should fire the police for not doing what they are paid to do and why aren't they?

/ David

Edited January 13, 2013 by Political Smash

[g_bambino]

You don't think its possible for a provincial government to avoid action even through daily "protests" that block major highways and the rail transportation routes[?]

I didn't say or even insinuate it was impossible. I asked you to tell me what government (the whole system, including the legislature, the courts, the governor, the voters) would allow such disruption to continue to the point the civil society and the economy break down. In what way would the people responsible not be engaging in their own self-destruction?

The government cannot act on its own to get the emergencies act if the affected area is only within one province and the province has not requested federal government assistance.

If I'm reading that right, you're correct, execpt with the number of provinces involved. The Emergencies Act makes no mention of any number of provinces. It does, however, state that, if a state of emergency is declared by the Governor General-in-Council, then a minister of the Crown must within seven days of the declaration present to parliament all the pertinent information, including reports on consultations with Lieutenant Governor-in-Council of any of the provinces concerned.

[ed.: c/e, +]

Edited January 14, 2013 by g_bambino