NOAH'S ARK GREAT FLOOD Update

[Canuckistani]

kimmy, on 02 January 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

....How to crush a million animals onto a crappy boat? I could suggest a blender, or ... are you familiar with beef jerky? That could work. Of course, the animals would be poorly suited to repopulating the earth afterward. But very tasty. At least Noah would have something to snack on during his voyage.

Think smaller......as in DNA and genome sequences !

Oh, well, that explains it. Of course it raises a whole bunch of other questions.

[Mighty AC]

How to crush a million animals onto a crappy boat? I could suggest a blender, or ... are you familiar with beef jerky? That could work. Of course, the animals would be poorly suited to repopulating the earth afterward. But very tasty. At least Noah would have something to snack on during his voyage.

mmmm t-rex jerky, drool...

[segnosaur]

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That doesn't make a difference to me. As stated every culture practically has a flood story.

Err... not really.

First of all, it is true that Flood myths are common. However, there are reasonable explanations for that:

- Early civilizations would have needed to settle near sources of fresh water (for irrigation, etc.) Flooding of such areas can happen with regularity

- Civilizations are not static... individuals migrate to new areas and bring their myths with them. These myths can get integrated with the stories/beliefs of the indigenous populations

Regardless, your suggestion that "every culture practically has a flood myth" is wrong... For example, here are a list of cultures that lacked a "global flood myth" (at least prior to the influence of missionaries):

- Celtic cultures (See: http://www.skeptic.c...eptic/12-10-17/)

- Many areas of ancient China (see above reference)

- Japan (See: http://books.google....e flood&f=false)

Edited January 2, 2013 by segnosaur

[Canuckistani]

Of course many cultures have flood myths - floods happen everywhere. To say that that whole earth was flooded several thousand years ago is just nuts - there's no evidence for it, neither geological nor biological.

[betsy]

How to crush vast amounts of matter into zero volume? That's the easy part. Read about Black Holes and Gravitational Singularities.

-k

You read about it, but we know what happened.

From that pea - actually it was much less than a pea...much, much less....in fact, nothing - and then in the beginning......along came God.

[betsy]

<p>Err... not really.

First of all, it is true that Flood myths are common. However, there are reasonable explanations for that:

- Early civilizations would have needed to settle near sources of fresh water (for irrigation, etc.) Flooding of such areas can happen with regularity

- Civilizations are not static... individuals migrate to new areas and bring their myths with them. These myths can get integrated with the stories/beliefs of the indigenous populations

Regardless, your suggestion that "every culture practically has a flood myth" is wrong... For example, here are a list of cultures that lacked a "global flood myth" (at least prior to the influence of missionaries):

- Celtic cultures (See: http://www.skeptic.c...eptic/12-10-17/)

- Many areas of ancient China (see above reference)

- Japan (See: http://books.google....e flood&f=false)

I said, every culture has a flood story. Just because some didn't make it to print doesn't mean they didn't have them! How many will reminisce about Katrina....or the Tsunami flooding....or the floods caused by the icestorms in some places decades from now? Some are already talking about that time their basement got wiped out!

Edited January 2, 2013 by betsy

[Canuckistani]

You read about it, but we know what happened.

From that pea - actually it was much less than a pea...much, much less....in fact, nothing - and then in the beginning......along came God.

God has a beginning? I thought God was the uncreated? As Pope Ben says, there's no conflict between his religion and science - he has no problem with an intelligence causing the big bang, and the processes of physics chemistry and evolution giving us the the earth we now have. Science certainly can't prove him wrong. Where fundies go off the rails is trying to fit literal readings of the bible with science - no can do. There was a big flood that covered the earth - long before humans were on the scene to observe it. And it wasn't a flood, it's how the earth formed from its beginning until 2.5 billion years ago. I don't think Noah was that old.

Edited January 2, 2013 by Canuckistani

[betsy]

Of course many cultures have flood myths - floods happen everywhere. To say that that whole earth was flooded several thousand years ago is just nuts - there's no evidence for it, neither geological nor biological.

I don't know to whom you're addressing that.

[GostHacked]

You read about it, but we know what happened.

From that pea - actually it was much less than a pea...much, much less....in fact, nothing - and then in the beginning......along came God.

So believing that the universe came from nothing is the exact same as believing God came from nothing. There is no difference.

[betsy]

God has a beginning? I thought God was the uncreated?

Where did I state He has a beginning?

[betsy]

So believing that the universe came from nothing is the exact same as believing God came from nothing. There is no difference.

I didn't say God was created from nothing if that is what you mean. I said "...along came God."

Edited January 2, 2013 by betsy

[Canuckistani]

I don't know to whom you're addressing that.

You, if the shoe fits. If that's not what you're trying to say, you're making an awful lot of fuss about floods happening and people handing down stories about them thru the ages. But it's a free world.

[Canuckistani]

I didn't say God was created from nothing if that is what you mean. I said "...along came God."

Where was he if there was nowhere? Along from where?

[betsy]

Where was he if there was nowhere? Along from where?

Only God knows.

[betsy]

You, if the shoe fits. If that's not what you're trying to say, you're making an awful lot of fuss about floods happening and people handing down stories about them thru the ages. But it's a free world.

Eh? Why would you address that to me? I'm referring to this:

To say that that whole earth was flooded several thousand years ago is just nuts - there's no evidence for it, neither geological nor biological.

Scroll back and read all my post again.

Edited January 2, 2013 by betsy

[Canuckistani]

Eh? Why would you address that to me? I'm referring to this:

Scroll back and read all my post again.

As I said, then I don't know what your'e on about.

As for your God comment - that's the ultimate cop out. God is mystical and magical, so anything is possible. OK, but then don't try to try to fit mystical and magical together with science. It just creates a mess.

[betsy]

As I said, then I don't know what your'e on about.

Of course you don't ..... you don't read!

As for your God comment - that's the ultimate cop out. God is mystical and magical, so anything is possible. OK, but then don't try to try to fit mystical and magical together with science. It just creates a mess.

As for my God comment - that's the comment of a believer. As I've said before, you're free to believe whatever you want! In fact I've posted this, which you promptly ignored:

betsy

You can choose to believe the Bible is nothing more than just a "myth" I guess, even if Ballard finds a plank that has the words, "The Ark" emblazoned on it...or a tattered coat that says, "granpa Noah"....I guess some folks would still insist to want to see it as nothing more than a "myth." What else can I say?

He found those things? But even if he did, as Kimmy points out, that doesnt mean that the flood covered the whole earth, that all animal species around today were on that ark, that God had anything to do with this, etc etc. At best, there was a guy named Noah who survived a flood with his family and domestic animals, and for some reason chose to name his boat Ark.

And now you insist to engage me - and you don't even read??? So what's the point of wasting time on you??

I guess that means bye-bye Canuckistani, for now....until you've got something substantial to say.

Edited January 2, 2013 by betsy

[Canuckistani]

Well as you can see, I read. I just don't get the point.

[betsy]

Well as you can see, I read. I just don't get the point.

No you don't. I've clearly spelled out where I stood on the Flood. Bye.

Edited January 2, 2013 by betsy

[GostHacked]

I didn't say God was created from nothing if that is what you mean. I said "...along came God."

You need a construct in order for God to be in. If he is outside of this construct then the universe cannot have come from nothing.

Only God knows.

Good, now that we have established that, you cannot make the claim that god is what you think he is. Because only HE knows.

[Canuckistani]

Good, now that we have established that, you cannot make the claim that god is what you think he is. Because only SHE knows.

Edited for accuracy.

[GostHacked]

Edited for accuracy.

Claiming that you edited for accuracy without knowing what the true gender of an omnipresent entity is just shows how off some lines of thinking are.

[Canuckistani]

Claiming that you edited for accuracy without knowing what the true gender of an omnipresent entity is just shows how off some lines of thinking are.

How do you know I don't know? I know. She told me.

[betsy]

You need a construct in order for God to be in. If he is outside of this construct then the universe cannot have come from nothing.

The God I believe in doesn't follow man-made rules.

Good, now that we have established that, you cannot make the claim that god is what you think he is. Because only HE knows.

Yes I can make such claims. After all it's based on faith....and I base what I claim on what I believe is the Words of God - The Bible. You, on the other hand don't have to accept or believe in what I believe.

Edited January 2, 2013 by betsy

[betsy]

Claiming that you edited for accuracy without knowing what the true gender of an omnipresent entity is just shows how off some lines of thinking are.

And you got it right, and he is wrong. The God I worship is a He. The Bible says so. He must be talking to Shiva. Or Hera! Or Kali. Or Medusa!

Now I'm convinced, he is not on the same page....

Edited January 2, 2013 by betsy