F-35 Purchase Cancelled; CF-18 replacement process begins

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Please go on and expand on these issues and how they won't be addressed once development is complete.....Likewise, by all means expand on the F-35 being "not even stealthy".......I'd love to hear you knowledge, knowledge that the JSF partners are not fearful of, so as to dissuade them from selecting the F-35......

I haven't the time just now to go through all of that again. Perhaps read this, it does enumerates some of the reduction of capabilities.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-f-35-strike-fighter-technical-failures-of-the-worlds-most-expensive-weapons-system/5390065

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I haven't the time just now to go through all of that again. Perhaps read this, it does enumerates some of the reduction of capabilities.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-f-35-strike-fighter-technical-failures-of-the-worlds-most-expensive-weapons-system/5390065

No, it speaks to delays associated with development, not to a degradation in end product capabilities......Now please explain how you feel the F-35 is no longer "stealthy"......

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No, it speaks to delays associated with development, not to a degradation in end product capabilities......Now please explain how you feel the F-35 is no longer "stealthy"......

Obviously you didn't read it because it does speak to precisely that at one point, and the stealth thing is old news now my friend. It's been at least 2 years since that fault was uncovered.

[Derek 2.0]

Obviously you didn't read it because it does speak to precisely that at one point, and the stealth thing is old news now my friend. It's been at least 2 years since that fault was uncovered.

I did read it......and no, it speaks to current issues in development..........

Now, you suggested the F-35 is no longer "stealthy", by all means explain.

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I did read it......and no, it speaks to current issues in development..........

Now, you suggested the F-35 is no longer "stealthy", by all means explain.

What is it about "the Pentagon has lowered it's performance specs" that you don't understand?

[Derek 2.0]

What is it about "the Pentagon has lowered it's performance specs" that you don't understand?

Performance specs associated with development for an allowance of next years IOC........what don't you understand?

Now, explain how the F-35 is no longer "stealthy"?

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Performance specs associated with development for an allowance of next years IOC........what don't you understand?

Now, explain how the F-35 is no longer "stealthy"?

Because the Chineese hacked/cracked it.

[Smallc]

Says who? Them?

[Derek 2.0]

Because the Chineese hacked/cracked it.

Hacked/Cracked what? The Chinese, if they did actually do so, only gained access to limited information (as speculated the maintenance software) via sub contractors computers........sensitive military data is not accessible via the commercial internet.

Now back up your statement that the F-35 is no longer "stealthy".

[Derek 2.0]

Says who? Them?

Says an unconfirmed media report........

[Rue]

Canada does not and never needed a stealth craft.

The best fit for Canada was and is still the Swedish Gryphen

I agree with one poster that we have not heard the last of the F35.

My cynical belief is the F35 will again be chosen only after the next election.

I say bankrupt the country and get a fleet of F22's for Justin. Then he can form a progressive alliance with that fat boy in North Korea.

They both have the same hair cut. They have a lot in common.

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Edited October 11, 2014 by Rue

[Smallc]

F-22s wouldn't bankrupt the country, but they are expensive and are currently out of production.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/28/new-u-s-stealth-jet-can-t-hide-from-russian-radar.html#

http://www.worldtribune.com/2014/04/29/analyst-f-35-fails-stealth-test-can-detected-tracked-russia-china/

Just two of many.

[Derek 2.0]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/28/new-u-s-stealth-jet-can-t-hide-from-russian-radar.html#

http://www.worldtribune.com/2014/04/29/analyst-f-35-fails-stealth-test-can-detected-tracked-russia-china/

Just two of many.

Keep searching until you find one that demonstrates how the Russians/Chinese have defied natural physics, allowing a long wavelength radar beam the ability to provide the required resolution in terms of both angle and range to act as a fire control radar.........Also, if they do develop an AESA radar in the VHF/UHF bands, how such an active radar won't be vulnerable to not only conventional kinetic weapons, but electromagnetic attack from the much more flexible (in terms of frequency jumping) short-wavelength AESA radar found within the F-35.......this of course precludes the F-35's DRFM countermeasures, which allow the F-35 the ability to manipulate a threat radar signal, altering return values in terms of the targeted F-35's RCS, range, angle and speed.

As pointed out in one of your links, the Americans have also been developing VHF/UHF band radars for decades, with the prime contractor and developer being Lockheed........a pioneer in all things stealth.............Ask yourself this, if the Americans feared developments in UHF/VHF radar, why will in a decade+ ~70% of their combat aircraft inventory be stealth aircraft........Why would all the various partner nations be on the stealth bus? And why would the Chinese and Russians be developing their own stealth aircraft if stealth can be defeated as easily as you suggest?

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Keep searching until you find one that demonstrates how the Russians/Chinese have defied natural physics, allowing a long wavelength radar beam the ability to provide the required resolution in terms of both angle and range to act as a fire control radar.........Also, if they do develop an AESA radar in the VHF/UHF bands, how such an active radar won't be vulnerable to not only conventional kinetic weapons, but electromagnetic attack from the much more flexible (in terms of frequency jumping) short-wavelength AESA radar found within the F-35.......this of course precludes the F-35's DRFM countermeasures, which allow the F-35 the ability to manipulate a threat radar signal, altering return values in terms of the targeted F-35's RCS, range, angle and speed.

As pointed out in one of your links, the Americans have also been developing VHF/UHF band radars for decades, with the prime contractor and developer being Lockheed........a pioneer in all things stealth.............Ask yourself this, if the Americans feared developments in UHF/VHF radar, why will in a decade+ ~70% of their combat aircraft inventory be stealth aircraft........Why would all the various partner nations be on the stealth bus? And why would the Chinese and Russians be developing their own stealth aircraft if stealth can be defeated as easily as you suggest?

I'm guessing you must have shares in LockMart and are not a pilot.

[Derek 2.0]

I'm guessing you must have shares in LockMart and are not a pilot.

I am a pilot, have shares in various defense stocks, and know you do not have a clue as to what it is you're trying to explain......but by all means, go forth and show me wrong!!!

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I am a pilot, have shares in various defense stocks, and know you do not have a clue as to what it is you're trying to explain......but by all means, go forth and show me wrong!!!

My, my, a little testy aeen't we? I don't have to prove you wrong, the facts have already done that.

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I am a pilot, have shares in various defense stocks, and know you do not have a clue as to what it is you're trying to explain......but by all means, go forth and show me wrong!!!

So if you are a pilot you'd understand that most of us can't get enough engines bolted to an airframe. One that has a tendancy to blow up isn't so good.

[Derek 2.0]

My, my, a little testy aeen't we? I don't have to prove you wrong, the facts have already done that.

What facts? You haven't provided any facts, but several opinion pieces.......and I'm far from testy, I think its both sad and funny when you attempt to discuss subjects that you don't understand, and when called on these various subjects, you obstinate, change subjects and level juvenile insults.

So here is your chance to prove me wrong:

Keep searching until you find one that demonstrates how the Russians/Chinese have defied natural physics, allowing a long wavelength radar beam the ability to provide the required resolution in terms of both angle and range to act as a fire control radar.........Also, if they do develop an AESA radar in the VHF/UHF bands, how such an active radar won't be vulnerable to not only conventional kinetic weapons, but electromagnetic attack from the much more flexible (in terms of frequency jumping) short-wavelength AESA radar found within the F-35.......this of course precludes the F-35's DRFM countermeasures, which allow the F-35 the ability to manipulate a threat radar signal, altering return values in terms of the targeted F-35's RCS, range, angle and speed.

I won't hold my breath though

[waldo]

... on the stealth bus?

it's called feeding the Military Industrial Complex!

of course whenever you trot out this stealthy thingee, I'll keep throwing down reference to the 2012 comments from the USN's top guy, Admiral Greenert... before he got muzzed and told to keep to the party line! Top U.S. admiral questions need for stealth technology like that used in F-35

In an article published by the U.S. Naval Institute this month, Greenert writes that a rapid expansion in computing power combined with changes to sensor technology have made it increasingly easy to sidestep the stealth capabilities of ships and aircraft.

Staying ahead of the curve is possible, he adds, but it would be require even larger financial investments than have already been made.

“It is time to consider shifting our focus from platforms that rely solely on stealth to also include concepts for operating farther from adversaries using standoff weapons and unmanned system — or employing electronic-warfare payloads to confuse or jam threat sensors rather than trying to hide from them,” Greenert concludes.

[Derek 2.0]

So if you are a pilot you'd understand that most of us can't get enough engines bolted to an airframe. One that has a tendancy to blow up isn't so good.

And here again, you've been provided with USAF safety records for both single and twin engine combat aircraft.......the result, single engine aircraft have a better safety service record over the last three decades.........your subject change noted

[Derek 2.0]

it's called feeding the Military Industrial Complex!

of course whenever you trot out this stealthy thingee, I'll keep throwing down reference to the 2012 comments from the USN's top guy, Admiral Greenert... before he got muzzed and told to keep to the party line! Top U.S. admiral questions need for stealth technology like that used in F-35

Yet the USN has been attempting to develop their own stealth aircraft since the 1980s........and are both committed to the F-35C and development of a 6th generation stealth aircraft to replace the Super Hornet..........of note, the F-35 will field low RCS stand-off weapons

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What facts? You haven't provided any facts, but several opinion pieces.......and I'm far from testy, I think its both sad and funny when you attempt to discuss subjects that you don't understand, and when called on these various subjects, you obstinate, change subjects and level juvenile insults.

So here is your chance to prove me wrong:

I won't hold my breath though

Please don't. This story has been flogged so many times. I understand that some people still like the Desoto.

[Derek 2.0]

Please don't. This story has been flogged so many times. I understand that some people still like the Desoto.

score: 1 subject change, 1 deferral

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Do you unsderstand why the F 35 didn't make it to Europe for those airshows likw Farnborough?