jacee Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) I think more than anything, the stench of corruption around Canadian politics, real or perceived, has created deep cynicism among Canadians. We don't trust our governments to act in our interests. We cynically expect them to act in their own interests. We're not unique, but only we can deal with the problem we have. The Charbonneau Commission has begun the task, slugging away at the corruption created by organized crime. I think it's been a wakeup call for politicians and bureaucrats across Canada, who are certainly scrambling to avoid such detection. Two mayors down. Rob Ford getting turfed from office for a relatively minor offense and bullheadedness in not admitting error, another wakeup call. Joe Fontana (London mayor) who paid for his son's wedding from public funds when MP, still stubbornly holding his seat but facing fraud charges. Dalton McGuinty spending hundreds of millions of OUR dollars to cancel a contract to save two Liberal seats and shutting down democracy to avoid personal accountability. Now Allison Redford is ducking and weaving and lying to the Alberta legislature about her role in approving a lucrative contract for her ex. I say ... AWESOME!!! ... BRING IT!!! NAIL THE BASTARDS!!! Dare we hope a new day is dawning? Am I right in thinking that now the ball is rolling, more heads will roll and more and more decent officials will be empowered to step forward? Because I do believe we have bureaucrats and politicians who are not corrupt and I want to see them strengthened and the bad apples turfed ... And now is a good time! Austerity ... for the corrupt! Edited November 30, 2012 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 The Charboneau commision has shed light on the sheer corruption with in the Labor Unions and left. The NDP are reaping what they have sewn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 There is no NDP in QC provincial politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Im talking Federaly. Mulcair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Mulcair and the federal NDP have not been implicated in the slightest by the Charbonneau Commission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted November 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 The Charboneau commision has shed light on the sheer corruption with in the Labor Unions and left. The NDP are reaping what they have sewn! You're a supporter of corruption by bureaucrats and politicians then Fletch? Don't care about that? Only care about slamming the 'left'? I don't see corruption as a partisan issue. I think we should seek and destroy all of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 No, you see, corruption is a team sport where a left-of-centre federal party can be implicated because they are 'on the same side' as unions and provincial and municipal politicians (who are affiliated with an entirely different party). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 I find it very interesting that with the SCANDAL of union funding for Thomas Mulcair and the NDP,, he STILL will not release the NAMES of the Unions that funded the events! http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/06/06/mulcair-ndp-convention-violation_n_1575459.html Its clear that corruption is at the heart of the NDP... From massage parlors in the dead of night, to living in subsidized housing, to Union Scandal.... It paints a clear picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 I find it very interesting... that you continually get things wrong.Things such as... to living in subsidized housing, .... It paints a clear picture It sure paints something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) that you continually get things wrong. Things such as... It sure paints something. All f the following are Facts: From massage parlors in the dead of night, to living in subsidized housing, to Union Scandal. Have a looky! http://www.torontotenantsassociations.ca/about%20FMTA%20and%20housing%20coops.html Edited November 30, 2012 by Fletch 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 All f the following are Facts: From massage parlors in the dead of night, to living in subsidized housing, to Union Scandal. Except for the fact he did not live in subsidized housing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 itss a subsidized co-op. Here it is again! Looky! http://www.torontotenantsassociations.ca/about%20FMTA%20and%20housing%20coops.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 From Wikipedia: Layton and Chow were also the subject of some dispute when a June 14, 1990, Toronto Star article by Tom Kerr accused them of unfairly living in a housing cooperative subsidized by the federal government, despite their high income.[35] Layton and Chow had both lived in the Hazelburn co-op since 1985, and lived together in an $800 per month three-bedroom apartment after their marriage in 1988. By 1990, their combined annual income was $120,000, and in March of that year they began voluntarily paying an additional $325 per month to offset their share of the co-op's Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation subsidy, the only members of the co-op to do so. In response to the article, the co-op's board argued that having mixed-income tenants was crucial to the success of co-ops, and that the laws deliberately set aside apartments for those willing to pay market rates, such as Layton and Chow.[36] During the late 1980s and early 1990s they maintained approximately 30% of their units as low income units and provided the rest at what they considered market rent. In June 1990, the city's solicitor cleared the couple of any wrongdoing,[37] and later that month, Layton and Chow left the co-op and bought a house in Toronto's Chinatown together with Chow's mother, a move they said had been planned for some time.[38] Former Toronto mayor John Sewell later wrote in NOW that rival Toronto city councillor Tom Jakobek had given the story to Tom Kerr.[39] From CBC (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/08/22/f-jack-layton-timeline.html): 1990: A newspaper article in June accuses Layton and Chow of unfairly living in the Hazelburn housing co-op, which is subsidized by the federal government. The couple have been living in one of the co-op's three-bedroom units since they were married, paying $800 a month in rent. In their defence, the co-op's board says it is crucial to have a mix of tenants with various levels of income in order for a co-op to succeed and stresses that Layton and Chow pay a supplementary $325 a month in order to offset the government subsidy. Later in the month, after city authorities turn up no evidence of wrongdoing, Layton and Chow move out of the co-op and into a newly purchased house in Chinatown. From the Star (who published the article you cited in 1990) (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1043514--jack-layton-dead-at-61): They came under fire in 1990 when the Star reported they were living in subsidized co-op housing despite earning a combined annual salary of $120,000. It was a mixed-rent building, they were paying market rent, and the city solicitor cleared Layton of wrongdoing, but the story followed him around, another element of the image of Layton as a latte-sipping urban socialist who did not really practise what he preached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Sigh...some people just dont learn. A newspaper article in June accuses Layton and Chow of unfairly living in the Hazelburn housing co-op, which is subsidized by the federal government. The couple have been living in one of the co-op's three-bedroom units since they were married, paying $800 a month in rent. In their defence, the co-op's board says it is crucial to have a mix of tenants with various levels of income in order for a co-op to succeed and stresses that Layton and Chow pay a supplementary $325 a month in order to offset the government subsidy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) Sigh...some people just dont learn. A newspaper article in June accuses Layton and Chow of unfairly living in the Hazelburn housing co-op, which is subsidized by the federal government. The couple have been living in one of the co-op's three-bedroom units since they were married, paying $800 a month in rent. In their defence, the co-op's board says it is crucial to have a mix of tenants with various levels of income in order for a co-op to succeed and stresses that Layton and Chow pay a supplementary $325 a month in order to offset the government subsidy Yes, After they were caught... Please.. Have a look at the original story in the star... "Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. provided the 75-unit Hazelburn Co-op with a 2 per cent mortgage, which costs the taxpayers $405,000 a year. The Laytons want to remain in the co-op and say they recently began paying an extra $325 a month to the co-op to offset the CMHC subsidy on the unit" Jacky Boy was BUSTED red-handed.... And PS: Your "Wiki" is amusing... Your aware i could modify Wiki right?? Edited November 30, 2012 by Fletch 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 The article was published in June. They paid the extra money starting in March. But they were never paying less than market rent. They were cleared by a city solicitor. Even the Blogging Tories have gotten over this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Yes, After they were caught... Nope. Wrong again. Getting tired of that huh? And PS: Your "Wiki" is amusing... Your aware i could modify Wiki right?? I am aware most could. I would suspect you'd have trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Wikipedia was one of three sources I provided, including the newspaper that originally published the critical article. Still, even if Fletch were ¸right, a 22-year-old story about a dead politician is only marginally relevant to this thread at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) It lends to sytemic corruption and dishonsty.. Edited November 30, 2012 by Fletch 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 We could spend all day digging up old stories: Airbus and Adscam are obviously two much bigger stories, for example. It was clear that jacee started the thread to discuss current issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Like Union Funding for the NDP gallas? Unions corrupting local politicians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted November 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Yes, After they were caught... Please.. Have a look at the original story in the star... "Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. provided the 75-unit Hazelburn Co-op with a 2 per cent mortgage, which costs the taxpayers $405,000 a year. The Laytons want to remain in the co-op and say they recently began paying an extra $325 a month to the co-op to offset the CMHC subsidy on the unit" Jacky Boy was BUSTED red-handed.... And PS: Your "Wiki" is amusing... Your aware i could modify Wiki right?? Jack's dead. Is that all you've got? Don't care about abuse of your tax dollars if it's done by a righty, eh? In other words, you care about nothing except partisan politics. Who pays you to conduct partisan attacks here Fletch? Better be the party. Better not be the taxpayer. Whose office do you work for Fletch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted November 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 We could spend all day digging up old stories: Airbus and Adscam are obviously two much bigger stories, for example. It was clear that jacee started the thread to discuss current issues. Thanks evening star. Fletch is a one trick pony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Your onto me... I would tell you but then there would be a major artice in the Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted November 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 The article was published in June. They paid the extra money starting in March. But they were never paying less than market rent. They were cleared by a city solicitor. Even the Blogging Tories have gotten over this. Ahhh! This was a campaign by the blogging Tories. Now I know who Fletch is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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