Election Canada's findings

[Shakeyhands]

speaking of "emberasment" (sic) the idea that anyone, no matter their stripes, would sit back and deem any of this ok is "emberasing". We should all be shouting to the rooftops for EC to get to the bottom of this and holding those who are blocking the investigation for whatever the reason to account.

[scribblet]

No one is deeming any of this okay, facts is all that's wanted, just the facts and a conclusion. Elections Canada doesn't seem able to able to do it and reaching out to talk to people isn't going to cut it. Anyone can give an opinion and talk, just let's get to the bottom of it. In the meantime, there are no facts and no conclusions.

[cybercoma]

Elections Canada doesn't seem able to able to do it and reaching out to talk to people isn't going to cut it.

Even if they could, they party you support doesn't seem to think it's important that election law punishments are made stricter. Mandatory minimums are only for underclass crimes.

[wyly]

again if the cpc was genuinely concerned with getting to the truth and saving it's reputation you would think the cpc would be cooperative and exposing the the culprits themselves...but no, cooperate is the last thing the cpc intends to do, it has no interest in uncovering the guilty parties why? is it because the/she may spill the beans telling Elections Canada more in order to save his/her own skin...

who would've thought that 6 pot plants being of more a threat to our society than a direct attack on our democratic freedom to vote...

[cybercoma]

And when things do look really bad for them, they claim there's no proof it would have altered the results, so it doesn't matter.

[Shakeyhands]

No one is deeming any of this okay, facts is all that's wanted, just the facts and a conclusion. Elections Canada doesn't seem able to able to do it and reaching out to talk to people isn't going to cut it. Anyone can give an opinion and talk, just let's get to the bottom of it. In the meantime, there are no facts and no conclusions.

You should write your Party and demand that they cooperate fully and completely with the EC investigation instead of trying to block it and have it shut down.

Put your money were your mouth is so to speak.

[cybercoma]

She won't do that. Come on. She doesn't think any wrongdoing occurred.

[wyly]

She won't do that. Come on. She doesn't think any wrongdoing occurred.

more like she's afraid of finding how high the trail of corruption leads...like Watergate, once one insider goes down there could be a domino effect....

[Bryan]

You should write your Party and demand that they cooperate fully and completely with the EC investigation instead of trying to block it and have it shut down.

Put your money were your mouth is so to speak.

They are cooperating where its appropriate. The problem is, EC and the opposition are asking for access to info they simply cannot have. The "election fraud" meme is just a smokescreen for what they really want: an inside look at CPCs increasingly successful election strategies.

[wyly]

They are cooperating where its appropriate. The problem is, EC and the opposition are asking for access to info they simply cannot have. The "election fraud" meme is just a smokescreen for what they really want: an inside look at CPCs increasingly successful election strategies.

EC wants to know who had access to party lists, who had access to call centers, computer login in times, phone logs....the only election strategy EC wants to investigate are the illegal ones...

[Shakeyhands]

They are cooperating where its appropriate. The problem is, EC and the opposition are asking for access to info they simply cannot have. The "election fraud" meme is just a smokescreen for what they really want: an inside look at CPCs increasingly successful election strategies.

You seriously believe that? Come on Bryan. At least try to be honest, you and they know exactly why they want it shut down and will do anything to block EC's investigation.

By the way, why would EC care what the CPC's "successful election strategies" are?

[scribblet]

You should write your Party and demand that they cooperate fully and completely with the EC investigation instead of trying to block it and have it shut down.

Put your money were your mouth is so to speak.

As far as I know they are co-operating, last thing I read anyway said "the party was cooperating with Elections Canada" I have written asking questions, they say they are. I don't believe everything I read in the papers, and certainly not a lot of of the windy speculation on here. No one knows for sure about any of it, especially Elections Canada.

Let me know when there is conclusive evidence of anything.

[dre]

If it came from the conservative party, why was it only in a couple of ridings, particularly ones like Guelph where it wasn't even close? Is it not more likely that this was just a couple of idiots acting on their own, despite the fact that you'd like to make it out as something far more based on your goofy suppositions?

Those are good questions, and you illustrate why there needs to be an investigation, and criminal charges against those behind it.

[Shakeyhands]

As far as I know they are co-operating, last thing I read anyway said "the party was cooperating with Elections Canada" I have written asking questions, they say they are. I don't believe everything I read in the papers, and certainly not a lot of of the windy speculation on here. No one knows for sure about any of it, especially Elections Canada.

Let me know when there is conclusive evidence of anything.

Well as far as I know, they've done every thing they can to block EC, including going to court.

[wyly]

By the way, why would EC care what the CPC's "successful election strategies" are?

EC would only care if those "successful election strategies" include subverting the democratic process...

[g_bambino]

Well as far as I know, they've done every thing they can to block EC, including going to court.

When was that? There was the failed Liberal candidate who took his winning Conservative opponent to court and there was the woman who took the Conservative Party to court alleging she'd been misdirected to a voting location; but when has the Conservative Party and Elections Canada ever faced off in court in relation to this Pierre Poutine/"robocalls" affair?

[scribblet]

The story this morning about a conservative riding producing cheques after a piece by Maher alleging they didn't exist proves that we should be very careful and wary about believing everything we read in the media.

[Shakeyhands]

The story this morning about a conservative riding producing cheques after a piece by Maher alleging they didn't exist proves that we should be very careful and wary about believing everything we read in the media.

Have a link Scribblet?

[scribblet]

http://www.vancouver...2976/story.html

Original piece

http://o.canada.com/2012/11/22/eleven-donors-to-conservative-riding-say-they-never-gave-the-money/

Edited November 24, 2012 by scribblet

[scribblet]

It appears that it really was a phony story by Maher, Fred Delorey says he was never even asked to produce the cheques. If this is true, how will Post media deal with Maher?

https://twitter.com/FredDeLorey

[jacee]

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/10/court-case-begins-into-complaints-about-robocalls-in-tightly-contested-ridings

Is a crime still a crime if it's not clearly successful?

I'm of the opinion that the purpose of this investigation is not only to overturn election results where necessary, but to determine whether there were attempts to suppress votes, and who was responsible for those attempts.

It is the attempt to subvert democracy that is the issue.

Unpunished, it becomes common practice.

Canadians already cynical about our contorted democracy become moreso and election and governance become a series of fratboy pranks - crimes - bearing no relation to representation of the people.

Edited December 10, 2012 by jacee

[Fletch 27]

This case will go forth this week.. There are 8 people who will haveto stand in front of the courts and tell them how they were affected... And PLEASE NOTE: ALL of these 8 people succesfully VOTED!!!!!!!!!

Seems like 8 Upset little lefties that would lie to accomplish whatever they think thier agenda entails..

When this fails,, I would hope that the law punishes these 8 to the fullest extent of the law and be required to cover any and all court-costs.

[jacee]

This case will go forth this week.. There are 8 people who will haveto stand in front of the courts and tell them how they were affected... And PLEASE NOTE: ALL of these 8 people succesfully VOTED!!!!!!!!!

Seems like 8 Upset little lefties that would lie to accomplish whatever they think thier agenda entails..

When this fails,, I would hope that the law punishes these 8 to the fullest extent of the law and be required to cover any and all court-costs.

I guess you miss the point: The question is 'Were there attempts to suppress votes?'

That's election fraud.

The question of which results should be overturned is secondary.

[Fletch 27]

And if there wasnt, These 8 people are Liars and should be held ACCOUNTABLE!!!!!

[jacee]

And if there wasnt, These 8 people are Liars and should be held ACCOUNTABLE!!!!!

In your dreams.