Why can't Canada be more nationalist?

[cybercoma]

To be fair, the cases that I've dealt with involved intimate partner violence. In those cases, the prohibition orders were always lifetime bans.

[guyser]

I got a pardon for my crimes, so my record is gone now, well sealed.

Hate to break it to you mr c but no, your record is not gone.

It is still there, ready to jump up an bite you should the need arise, ie you doing something dumb or applying for a sensitive security position.

Under the Criminal Records Act the Minister has the authority to release your record details . The National Parole Board can do so for a number of reasons including bad behaviour and conviction on another charge

[Guest Derek L]

What he ^ Ssaid.

Appears normal to be refused, but thiongs like subsistence living etc one may be able to get a licence

Generally , afaik, any assault or violence charge will get you denied.

Yup, or to be pertinent to this example, under 18 (For an adult licence to purchase) and serious metal health issues.

[Guest Derek L]

Hate to break it to you mr c but no, your record is not gone.

It is still there, ready to jump up an bite you should the need arise, ie you doing something dumb or applying for a sensitive security position.

Under the Criminal Records Act the Minister has the authority to release your record details . The National Parole Board can do so for a number of reasons including bad behaviour and conviction on another charge

And CPIC never forgets..........

[WWWTT]

People with firearms will rule over those that do not.

Why am I not surprised that you would write something like this.

WWWTT

[Mr.Canada]

Hate to break it to you mr c but no, your record is not gone.

It is still there, ready to jump up an bite you should the need arise, ie you doing something dumb or applying for a sensitive security position.

I said it was sealed and for all intents and purposes removed. I'm the one who went through the whole pardon process and you're going to lecture me on it? Lol, ok np, knock yourself out.

And CPIC never forgets..........

When anyone gets a pardon their name is removed from CPIC. Nothing shows up. Guyser was correct about the Minister being the only one who can reopen my file. Even if I get arrested again it's not a sure thing that this will happen depending on the severity of the crime.

Why am I not surprised that you would write something like this.

WWWTT

It's the truth. if society collapses and no one has food, the ones with guns will take from those who don't. I don't see what's wrong with stating what's likely.

[ThePoliticalBouillon]

I truly wish that Canada were more nationalistic. This may be going to far but it is interesting to think about. I think about it often when I'm alone. This is probably characterized as Ultra nationalism but still fun to think about if it were real able to happen, who knows maybe we can aspire tpo this level of perfection one day.

I love war history and WWII in general and Nazi Germany in particular maybe this is where it comes from. I loved all the endless neat rows of soldiers.

Massive build up of our military until 2 million strong.

Massive military parades down Yonge Street with the PM standing in a balcony saluting the crowd and his soldiers.

Force a tropical nation to become part of Canada as another province, station a massive base there.

A Canada first policy. Canada for Canadians policies.

Adopt Christianity as Canada's official religion. A safe haven for Christians around the world. Accept only Christians as immigrants maybe expel all others.

Crack down violently to Islam terror in Canada and deport with no right to appeal to offenders

Limit international trade, withdraw from UN and NATO

Anyone ever think about this?

I think diversity's a beautiful thing. First of all, why not crack down violently to EVERY SINGLE CRIME and deport the criminals to Australia! That'd make Canada a better place and arguably more nationalistic (builds on solidarity against all criminals)!

Why adopt Christianity? Weren't the first religions in Canada actually some form of pagan worship? Let's be radically nationalist and not nitpick the postcolonial era of Canada because hey, we're extremists right?

Limit international trade would slow down our economy and will cause a multitude of things such as people finding employment elsewhere and poverty.

I know that I shouldn't be angry that you're expressing your opinions, but I can be disgusted right?

[WWWTT]

It's the truth. if society collapses and no one has food, the ones with guns will take from those who don't. I don't see what's wrong with stating what's likely.

No wait here's another possible scenario.

Society doesn't collapse.

What then?

Or better yet,society collapses,and the people with the guns re instate society.And those that try to use their guns to steal get shot!

Ok want another one?

Society collapses,but guess what,food still freekin grows like it always did for 4.5 billion years!And people keep growing food like they did for freekin generations after generations,even before land animals freekin involved and we were still amoebas!

There you go buddy,I just thought this out for you.You can relax now and put your guns away!

Maybe go out tonight with you wife to a nice restaurant then see a movie after.Wouldn't that be a lot more easier than barricading the doors of your house and getting ready for some God awful catastrophe that will uproot civil obedience just so that you can say "I told you so".

WWWTT

[Shakeyhands]

Generally , afaik, any assault or violence charge will get you denied.

Guess it depends on length of time passed since conviction, I can tell you that some with Assaults on their records do in fact get ok'd.

[Guest Derek L]

When anyone gets a pardon their name is removed from CPIC. Nothing shows up. Guyser was correct about the Minister being the only one who can reopen my file. Even if I get arrested again it's not a sure thing that this will happen depending on the severity of the crime.

And do you know what instances will allow the reopening of said file? Perhaps you should read the Firearms Act……

[Guest Derek L]

Guess it depends on length of time passed since conviction, I can tell you that some with Assaults on their records do in fact get ok'd.

Nope, not if he's used a weapon in a prior assault..........He may have a ten year ban and after said ban, can apply for a PAL/RPAL, but he won't get it, based on his admitted history of violence with a weapon(s)...........After Quebec, the Ontario CFO is the strictest in Canada……….

Gun owners can get a ten year ban carrying a restricted firearm to a range without their ATT/Registration papers or failing to renew their licence prior to expiry……….

[Mr.Canada]

Nope, not if he's used a weapon in a prior assault..........He may have a ten year ban and after said ban, can apply for a PAL/RPAL, but he won't get it, based on his admitted history of violence with a weapon(s)...........After Quebec, the Ontario CFO is the strictest in Canada……….

Gun owners can get a ten year ban carrying a restricted firearm to a range without their ATT/Registration papers or failing to renew their licence prior to expiry……….

I have assaults in my past, got a pardon and I have my PAL and weapons in my home. I have never had any gun charges.

[Guest Derek L]

To add, what makes me further sceptical of Mr Canada’s claim is his lack of understanding of the extensive background check that would have taken place during his application process, pardon or not………..Perhaps he didn’t read the “fine print”………

http://www.priv.gc.ca/information/fr_010813_01_e.asp#010

Police Information Retrieval System (PIRS)

PIRS is the RCMP's automated information management system used to store, update and retrieve information on operational case records/occurrences being, or having been, investigated. This electronic indexing system is used by the RCMP operational units, some municipal police agencies, by Firearms Officers (FO) across Canada, and by other federal partners. PIRS captures data on individuals who have been involved in investigations under the Criminal Code, federal and provincial statutes, municipal by-laws and territorial ordinances. According to the RCMP, in addition to details of an event in a brief synopsis (maximum of 240 characters), PIRS contains limited information relating to investigations and criminal histories. Unlike CPIC, which essentially contains factual information (e.g., charges and convictions), PIRS may also contain information provided by witnesses, victims and other associated subjects that can be highly subjective, as well as the names of the witnesses, victims, and acquaintances of the accused individual. PIRS also differs from CPIC in that it contains information on occurrences and incidents that never resulted in charges.

Operational Statistical Reporting System (OSR) codes identify all occurrences on PIRS in terms of the nature of the event for statistical profile purposes, while the police case number and originating agency (ORI) number are identified in FIP entries for use by FOs.

[Guest Derek L]

I have assaults in my past, got a pardon and I have my PAL and weapons in my home. I have never had any gun charges.

BS.

http://www.priv.gc.ca/information/fr_010813_01_e.asp#010

Provincial and Municipal Police Information Retrieval Systems

Similar to the RCMP's PIRS database, Ontario has a police information retrieval system known as OMPACC, while Calgary has PIMS, Edmonton has PROBE, Regina has IRIS, etc. Formal and informal information sharing arrangements are in place between provincial and territorial CFOs and their police services boards or agencies for the exchange of information in these databases.

[Mr.Canada]

To add, what makes me further sceptical of Mr Canada’s claim is his lack of understanding of the extensive background check that would have taken place during his application process, pardon or not………..Perhaps he didn’t read the “fine print”………

http://www.priv.gc.c...13_01_e.asp#010

Well, I have my license, I'm looking at it right now. It's in my hand. I took the course and everything. I don't know what to tell you. I got it without any problems at all. No one mentioned anything to me.

All of what you posted none of it says a person who received a pardon cannot own firearms. it's just some random crap about info sharing. Are you jealous of me?

Edited November 2, 2012 by Mr.Canada

[Guest Derek L]

There you go buddy,I just thought this out for you.You can relax now and put your guns away!

Maybe go out tonight with you wife to a nice restaurant then see a movie after.Wouldn't that be a lot more easier than barricading the doors of your house and getting ready for some God awful catastrophe that will uproot civil obedience just so that you can say "I told you so".

WWWTT

If you feel a sense of concern, you can always contact the Ontario Chief Firearms officer:

http://www.opp.ca/ecms/index.php?id=400

[Guest Derek L]

Well, I have my license, I'm looking at it right now. It's in my hand. I took the course and everything. I don't know what to tell you. I got it without any problems at all. No one mentioned anything to me.

Then you're lying about your claimed "violent past".......Or about having a PAL/RPAL.

[Mr.Canada]

Then you're lying about your claimed "violent past".......Or about having a PAL/RPAL.

Your posts show nothing about someone with a pardon being banned from owning a firearm. Having some obscure quote and yelling about it doesn't make what you're saying true.

[Guest Derek L]

Your posts show nothing about someone with a pardon being banned from owning a firearm. Having some obscure quote and yelling about it doesn't make what you're saying true.

No, they show that pardon or not, during the application part of your claimed licence, the Ontario CFO would see your also claimed violent past.

As to the rest, I suppose you could share your licence number, sans any other personal info, and anyone interested could contact the CFC for verification, just as any legal owner would prior to a sale of firearms or ammunition online…………..But I’d guess most, like myself, don’t really care, nor believe what you have to say anyways, so what’s the point?

[Mr.Canada]

No, they show that pardon or not, during the application part of your claimed licence, the Ontario CFO would see your also claimed violent past.

As to the rest, I suppose you could share your licence number, sans any other personal info, and anyone interested could contact the CFC for verification, just as any legal owner would prior to a sale of firearms or ammunition online…………..But I’d guess most, like myself, don’t really care, nor believe what you have to say anyways, so what’s the point?

I don't share personal information over the internet. I can assure you I have it and I got without incident. Let's end it there.

[Guest Derek L]

I don't share personal information over the internet. I can assure you I have it and I got without incident. Let's end it there.

What’s in a number? As a claimed licensed holder, sharing just the licence number, without further personal information would allow someone to contact the CFC with a two minute phone call to verify the number you shared is a valid licence……….The RCMP wouldn’t share your personal info further. Literally they would give a yes or no answer.

Of course you’d already know that, what with being a PAL/RPAL holder

[Guest Derek L]

If you’d like, in the sprit of good faith, if you PM me your licence number, I’ll PM you mine.

[guyser]

I don't share personal information over the internet. I can assure you I have it and I got without incident. Let's end it there.

You may in fact have an FAC.

What is in doubt, and will remain so for quite some time is the fact that you have admitted to being a troll, writing stuff you dont believe , and now you have been caught in spouting mistruths. You slipped up with your past, basically telling numerous untruths.

Its obvious you have your back to the wall and are caught out.

Your past criminal record etc. perhaps your parents did a lousy job and we should have deported them as undesirables.

That would of course fit right in with your feeling re criminals and CDN society.

Edited November 2, 2012 by guyser

[Mr.Canada]

Guyser, please provide me with your personal details to a stranger you don't know(me) and if you don't you'll be deemed a liar. Sound fair?

[guyser]

Guyser, please provide me with your personal details to a stranger you don't know(me) and if you don't you'll be deemed a liar. Sound fair?

Nice attempt to muddy the waters but it aint gonna work.

Im not asking for any details from you, merely what you have posted and said. YOu are a self admitted troll for many of your posts. You have said exactly that so there is nothing to dispute.

You seem to be upset that you slipped up and cannot keep your 'truths' arranged in order.