cybercoma Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 If you don't see what's wrong with your analogy, I can't help you. I have a feeling that no amount of explaining how awful it is will make any difference. Quote
Guest Peeves Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 Denotation, Connotation. And picayune. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 And picayune. Not at all, for exactly the reason I said. Quote
Argus Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 If you don't see what's wrong with your analogy, I can't help you. I have a feeling that no amount of explaining how awful it is will make any difference. Nope. Because I'm operating from a purely logical standpoint and your position is purely emotional. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wild Bill Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 Right... context... why don't we just 'flip over all the cards' as they used to say, and specify the people we DON'T want, then work backwards to come up with criteria hm ? Is somebody at some point going to define Black inner city Americans as an 'ethnicity' or is that still a "third rail" for people who are against ethnicity/cultures ? Anybody can answer that one... You always seem to refuse to deal with cultural clashes. You turn it into some form of racial discrimination. Why do you have to use "black inner city" as a model? It's as if you WANT it to be a conflict! No wonder social problems never seem to ever be resolved. I'm going to go make supper. Perhaps I will put on some B B King for dinner music. That man understands racial discrimination far better than you or I ever will. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Wild Bill Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 You're quite offensive and insulting, referring to people's heritage the way one refers to cattle and hogs. It's a short to abusing people when you can so easily dehumanize them by referring to their ancestry as "stock." You are either very ignorant or deliberately trying to twist my words into something they are not, CC. Perhaps we should not debate for a while. I think you have a problem. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
cybercoma Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 Nope. Because I'm operating from a purely logical standpoint and your position is purely emotional. Because it's oh so logical to compare human beings to mechanical products. Quote
Smallc Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 I want those immigrants that will eventually become Canadians with Canadian values. I deplore the multi- cultural policies that to me are divisive. Multiculturalism is part of 'Canadian values'. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 You are either very ignorant or deliberately trying to twist my words into something they are not, CC. Perhaps we should not debate for a while. I think you have a problem. I have a problem with you gaslighting me with this post. Yeah. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 I'm using pretty much the criteria you have given me. Because it's black inner city people you find it abhorrent for some reason. Discriminating against ethnic background and culture is ok, I thought it was said. What is it about blacks that makes you change your tune? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Mr.Canada Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 Multiculturalism is part of 'Canadian values'. Is importing people whose cultural practices have little in common with the majority of Canadians a part of Canadian values as well?People who have shown little desire to assimilate and choose to live in their own enclaves. Is this a Canadian value? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
cybercoma Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 Is importing people whose cultural practices have little in common with the majority of Canadians a part of Canadian values as well? People who have shown little desire to assimilate and choose to live in their own enclaves. Is this a Canadian value? You mean like all of the Little Italy communities? Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 I'm using pretty much the criteria you have given me. Because it's black inner city people you find it abhorrent for some reason. Discriminating against ethnic background and culture is ok, I thought it was said. What is it about blacks that makes you change your tune? Whenever someone talks about an undesirable area to live or the most dangerous areas of Toronto they are almost always talking about an area where the majority of the population is black. This is a problem that needs a solution because it takes away from the good people in those areas. When people talk about good areas to live they are almost always "white" areas. Again it would be good to find the reason for this and help those communities that are lacking so that we can have lower crime rates across the board. My wife is of mixed race and grew up in a "bad" area but went to Uni and became a productive member of society as did her siblings which leads me to believe that the bad people aren't being raised properly. Both of my wifes parents worked as well so it makes me wonder how some become well adjusted and some others become drug dealers and murderers. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 Is importing people whose cultural practices have little in common with the majority of Canadians a part of Canadian values as well? Yes, and it always has been. People who have shown little desire to assimilate and choose to live in their own enclaves. Is this a Canadian value? That isn't much a reality in Canada. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 Yes, and it always has been. So do you support honour killings, stoning of women, beheading of women for going to school? After all you just said that you support foreign cultural practices being incorporated in Canada. What limits do you put on acceptable cultural practices being tolerated in Canada? The Roma people always live with other Romas and have little to do with the outside community. Is this a behaviour that will make for an inclusive Canada? How? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Wild Bill Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 I'm using pretty much the criteria you have given me. Because it's black inner city people you find it abhorrent for some reason. Discriminating against ethnic background and culture is ok, I thought it was said. What is it about blacks that makes you change your tune? Excuse me Michael but when the hell did I ever mention black inner city people? I have no idea where that came from! Is your tinfoil hat picking up messages from space? I don't recall EVER mentioning inner city blacks! I may have slammed hiphop music a time or two. Are you on meds? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
cybercoma Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 Whenever someone talks about an undesirable area to live or the most dangerous areas of Toronto they are almost always talking about an area where the majority of the population is black. Except the ghetto of Chicago went through a variety of ethnic and racial variations, namely Irish, Eastern European, Jewish, Black, and Latino. As the races and ethnicities changed, do you want to know what remained the same? Quote
Smallc Posted October 14, 2012 Report Posted October 14, 2012 So do you support honour killings, stoning of women, beheading of women for going to school? Support them? I was voted class president of beheading in high school. After all you just said that you support foreign cultural practices being incorporated in Canada. What limits do you put on acceptable cultural practices being tolerated in Canada? If it's against the law, then it shouldn't happen. You didn't address my point. The Roma people always live with other Romas and have little to do with the outside community. Is this a behaviour that will make for an inclusive Canada? How? You didn't address my point. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 14, 2012 Report Posted October 14, 2012 WB - I brought blacks into this, based on your criteria. Well? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Mr.Canada Posted October 14, 2012 Report Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) Except the ghetto of Chicago went through a variety of ethnic and racial variations, namely Irish, Eastern European, Jewish, Black, and Latino. As the races and ethnicities changed, do you want to know what remained the same? Please re read what I wrote. I said areas of Toronto and I also said almost always. I'm also talking about present day. you cannot possible argue this. It's a known fact. Edited October 14, 2012 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Mr.Canada Posted October 14, 2012 Report Posted October 14, 2012 If it's against the law, then it shouldn't happen. You didn't address my point. You didn't address my point. However it does happen and maybe it can be avoided if we don't import people from cultures that include these types of behaviours that we in Canada don't adhere to. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted October 14, 2012 Report Posted October 14, 2012 Canada isn't some monolithic block though, and it never has been. You and so many others don't seem to understand that. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 14, 2012 Report Posted October 14, 2012 We dont have an immigration system we let everyone in, even criminals. All are welcome to Canada. Any move to change that is shouted down with accusations of racism. Liar Quote
login Posted October 14, 2012 Report Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) Is importing people whose cultural practices have little in common with the majority of Canadians a part of Canadian values as well? People who have shown little desire to assimilate and choose to live in their own enclaves. Is this a Canadian value? Canada is a multicultural society not totalitarian. Go back to your cave. If it ain't hurtin no one bugger off. Edited October 14, 2012 by login Quote
Wild Bill Posted October 14, 2012 Report Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) WB - I brought blacks into this, based on your criteria. Well? "Based on your criteria"? Are you serious? YOU can make extrapolations on what I NEVER SAID to paint me as some kind of racist? So now I can be branded for whatever you THINK might be the logical extension of my argument! An extrapolation that is not only ridiculous but one I cannot defend. I don't KNOW when I "stopped beating my wife", Michael! This forum has gradually been drifting into "rabble" territory over the past year or so. I'm not enjoying it as much anymore. Not because of differing opinions but for lack of simple manners and fairness in debate. I don't expect MLW to change for me but I think just for my own peace of mind I will take a break for a while. Edited October 14, 2012 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
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