Deplorable Human Rights in Gaza.

[Guest Peeves]

http://news.national...-broken-report/

Hamas of course is a terrorist organization that was elected in Gaza and seems to be terrorizing it's own members and citizenry. Maybe the Free Gaza Movement’s founder Greta Berlin has plans for a relief flotilla to help the victims of the Gaza government..Hamas.

Hamas justice system in Gaza ‘broken’: report

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The case of Abdel Karim Shreir is only one of many described in a new report by Human Rights Watch (HRW) on the Hamas justice system in the Gaza Strip. The Islamist group Hamas, which forcibly took control of Gaza from the Palestinian Authority in 2007, is seen by much of the international community as a terrorist organization.

“Human Rights Watch found that the authorities in Gaza have a broken justice system,” the report’s author, Bill Van Esveld, told The Media Line.

“They are putting people in prison without warrants, denying people access to their lawyers while in detention, cases of abuse in detention are not being investigated and some people have been executed on the basis of confessions that were extracted under torture.”

Mr. Van Esveld says at least 100 Palestinians said they had been tortured in 2011, although he believes the number to be much higher as many are afraid to speak out. HRW is demanding Hamas make widespread reforms.

Hamas rejected all the report’s conclusions, calling the document “inaccurate” and “politically biased.”

Edited October 12, 2012 by Peeves

[bud]

http://news.national...-broken-report/

Hamas of course is a terrorist organization that was elected in Gaza and seems to be terrorizing it's own members and citizenry. Maybe the Free Gaza Movement’s founder Greta Berlin has plans for a relief flotilla to help the victims of the Gaza government..Hamas.

Hamas justice system in Gaza ‘broken’: report

"

The case of Abdel Karim Shreir is only one of many described in a new report by Human Rights Watch (HRW) on the Hamas justice system in the Gaza Strip. The Islamist group Hamas, which forcibly took control of Gaza from the Palestinian Authority in 2007, is seen by much of the international community as a terrorist organization.

“Human Rights Watch found that the authorities in Gaza have a broken justice system,” the report’s author, Bill Van Esveld, told The Media Line.

“They are putting people in prison without warrants, denying people access to their lawyers while in detention, cases of abuse in detention are not being investigated and some people have been executed on the basis of confessions that were extracted under torture.”

Mr. Van Esveld says at least 100 Palestinians said they had been tortured in 2011, although he believes the number to be much higher as many are afraid to speak out. HRW is demanding Hamas make widespread reforms.

Hamas rejected all the report’s conclusions, calling the document “inaccurate” and “politically biased.”

you are pathetic.

where is your outrage for human rights when israel puts palestinians, including children in detention and without a fair trial?

Israel urged to treat Palestinian child detainees in accordance with rights law – UN

http://www.change.org/petitions/israeli-government-release-non-violent-palestinian-activist-fadi-quran-from-prison

and it goes on and on and on.

[Guest Peeves]

you are pathetic.

where is your outrage for human rights when israel puts palestinians, including children in detention and without a fair trial?

Israel urged to treat Palestinian child detainees in accordance with rights law – UN

http://www.change.or...ran-from-prison

and it goes on and on and on.

I accept Pat Hetic, has a nice ring to it don't it You may call me Pat.

Wu~ saying

"When shoe on other foot Bud put foot in mouth."

[Mr.Canada]

If Arabs want to be treated fairly then they need to learn how act reasonably and responsibly. Blowing up Jewish schoolchildren isn't conducive to a peaceful diplomatic relationship. Is that how problems should be solved here in Canada bud? No discussion in parliament, instead we should blow up our enemies and conduct ourselves in a racist fashion, is that your position bud?

[Rue]

Lol Bud's outrage is selective of course.

But then do you see any of the so claimed righteous left on this thread criticizing Hamas hmmmmmmm?

Of course not. Black dog, Bleeding Heart, come on here and criticize Hamas? Lol.

For those of us who have been on the ground in Gaza we never mistook what Hamas was or for that matter Fatah

or all the other hundreds of self proclaimed terror cells.

They rule by terror against their own people. They hold Palestinians captive.

it is why I reject 90% of the thread makers on Israel on this forum. They have no clue what Hamas is, how it

operates or who the other cells are.

I also reject as completely the extreme arguements of JBG on the other side because he too will not distinguish

ordinary Palestinian from the terrorists that hold them captive.

The ordinary Palestinian like ordinary Israeli is a captive of a political conflict they long ago lost control of.

But no problems. Hamas Public Relations Coordinator Bud will answer all your questions about the continuing mass

murders that currently continue.

[bud]

Lol Bud's outrage is selective of course.

But then do you see any of the so claimed righteous left on this thread criticizing Hamas hmmmmmmm?

NO ONE ever defends hamas. why should we criticize a party who is not supported by anyone here or by our country? most of us already know that they're scum.

whereas israel's actions are not only supported by the apologists such as you (even though you try to sell yourself as a rational and objective person) but it is supported by canada. despite their disgusting human rights record.

so yeah, when our country supports another country that constantly violates human rights, like smashing into homes in the middle of the night and take children away into custody, and keeping them without charges and torturing them, then you better believe that i will speak out.

perhaps one day you will grow some balls and find a way to abandon your nationalism and zealotry and start being truthful.

Edited October 17, 2012 by bud

[bleeding heart]

Lol Bud's outrage is selective of course.

But then do you see any of the so claimed righteous left on this thread criticizing Hamas hmmmmmmm?

Of course not. Black dog, Bleeding Heart, come on here and criticize Hamas? Lol.

I have elsewhere deemed Hamas rotten leaders, killers of Jews and oppressors of Arabs.

You would know this if you cared to pay attention to what anyone says, rather than relying on your bent little imagination.

Maybe you could, I dunno, leave me out of your sanctimonious little hate-fests from now on?

At least get your facts staright....a tall order, evidently, but I would argue not an unreasonable one.

[Guest Peeves]

I have elsewhere deemed Hamas rotten leaders, killers of Jews and oppressors of Arabs.

You would know this if you cared to pay attention to what anyone says, rather than relying on your bent little imagination.

Maybe you could, I dunno, leave me out of your sanctimonious little hate-fests from now on?

At least get your facts staright....a tall order, evidently, but I would argue not an unreasonable one.

Fair is fair. If you opine on both sides of an issue it's reasonable to consider your viewpoint.

Hamas is a recognized terrorist group and they consider Fatah as enemies as well as Jews.

Unfortunately (thanks to Geo. Bush I think), they are the duly elected government of Gaza.

[DogOnPorch]

I have elsewhere deemed Hamas rotten leaders, killers of Jews and oppressors of Arabs.

Not just Hamas. Every last Palestinian Arab leader is rotten. Has been rotten. Probably will be rotten.

[Guest Peeves]

Not just Hamas. Every last Palestinian Arab leader is rotten. Has been rotten. Probably will be rotten.

Goes way back.

http://www.maannews.....aspx?ID=532088

RAMALLAH (Ma'an) -- The Palestinian human rights ombudsman has been given a green light by the Hamas government to resume its work in the Gaza Strip, after their monitoring activities were blocked for several years.

Head of the Independent Commission for Human Rights, Ahmad Harb, told Ma'an his visit to Gaza last week was "historic".

His ICHR delegation entered Gaza's internal security prison after a four-year hiatus, as well as the main civil jail in Gaza, which had not been monitored for two years.

Nevertheless, he describes meeting some of the 30-odd prisoners affiliated to Fatah in Gaza's internal security jail as "very emotional." They were incredibly relieved to talk to someone, and criticized not only their jailers but also Fatah, feeling they have been forgotten, Harb says.

They are mainly held in solitary cells, and under military jurisdiction, ironically using the 1979 law of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the Fatah-dominated body of which Hamas is still not a member.

Typical charges, such as collaboration with the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah, will not hold up in a court of law, so detainees face lengthy detention without charge. One Fatah affiliate has been in jail for four years without trial, Harb notes.

Both Fatah and Hamas deny they hold political prisoners, saying inmates are wanted for criminal charges not their political affiliation. ICHR notes that such detentions in the West Bank and Gaza regularly circumvent due process, and the charges are not generally convincing.

Another problem in Gaza is inadequate detention facilities, Harb says. He visited cells around 5-meters wide, crammed with up to 36 inmates. "I don’t know how they sleep, I don’t even know how they find a place to stand," he says.

"I saw some scenes I really couldn’t bear."

Fatah the other Arab group are treated as enemies of Hamas. If they treat their former Arab allies like this, their enemies must treat them accordingly.

[Guest Peeves]

NO ONE ever defends hamas. why should we criticize a party who is not supported by anyone here or by our country? most of us already know that they're scum.

whereas israel's actions are not only supported by the apologists such as you (even though you try to sell yourself as a rational and objective person) but it is supported by canada. despite their disgusting human rights record.

so yeah, when our country supports another country that constantly violates human rights, like smashing into homes in the middle of the night and take children away into custody, and keeping them without charges and torturing them, then you better believe that i will speak out.

perhaps one day you will grow some balls and find a way to abandon your nationalism and zealotry and start being truthful.

Israel has had but one course since created, survival. The Arab world another...eradication of Israel.

Most of Israel's actions are completely justified given the choices. Certainly others are subject to examination and criticism, but not the faked ones like trumped up photo shoots faking a kids death by Israeli rifle fire.

[bud]

Israel has had but one course since created, survival.

totally! land theft, expanding jewish settlements and stealing resources is all about 'survival'.

[bleeding heart]

Fair is fair. If you opine on both sides of an issue it's reasonable to consider your viewpoint.

By asserting the literal opposite of my stated views?

An interesting definition of "fair."

Hamas is a recognized terrorist group

I couldn't care less about the official recognition...often "recognized" by terrorists themselves.

Hamas is a terrorist group with or without the signed declaration of august Western entities.

[Guest Peeves]

I seemto be missing your point. Care to elaborate on your meaning for the simpleton.

[Guest Peeves]

totally! land theft, expanding jewish settlements and stealing resources is all about 'survival'.

No land theft involved it's disputed territory taken in war with Jordan-Syria. They play nice they may get it back in trade for security of state. Personally were it not for the Arabs, I'd say keep it

Edited October 28, 2012 by Peeves

[bleeding heart]

I seemto be missing your point. Care to elaborate on your meaning for the simpleton.

I meant that I consider Hamas a terrorist organization...and it has nothing to do with being Officially Recognized as such by the great noble warriors against terror, whether we're talking the US, the UK, Canada, Fatah, or Israel.

I think we need to be extremely suspicious, in fact, of Official Recognition of Terrorist Organizations, as such things are political moves above all.

The Iranian ex-pat MEK has just been "officially" delisted as a terrorist organization--because it opposes the Iranian regime (preferring itself, of course, as legtimate tyrants), and because so many US politicians have been (illegally!) advocating for them.

So, while I obviously think terrorism is real, I don't think that official pronouncements about who is and isn't a terrorist organization are worth the breath expended to state the case.

Edited October 28, 2012 by bleeding heart

[Guest Peeves]

I meant that I consider Hamas a terrorist organization...and it has nothing to do with being Officially Recognized as such by the great noble warriors against terror, whether we're talking the US, the UK, Canada, Fatah, or Israel.

I think we need to be extremely suspicious, in fact, of Official Recognition of Terrorist Organizations, as such things are political moves above all.

The Iranian ex-pat MEK has just been "officially" delisted as a terrorist organization--because it opposes the Iranian regime (preferring itself, of course, as legtimate tyrants), and because so many US politicians have been (illegally!) advocating for them.

So, while I obviously think terrorism is real, I don't think that official pronouncements about who is and isn't a terrorist organization are worth the breath expended to state the case.

Well it need be officially recognized if a democratic country to prevent assistance from within. If Hamas were not officially designated as a terrorist org. /government, then supporters could legally fund them with impunity.

Edited October 28, 2012 by Peeves

[bleeding heart]

Well it need be officially recognized if a democratic country to prevent assistance from within. If Hamas were not officially designated as a terrorist org. /government, then supporters could legally fund them with impunity.

Ok, sure, i get that.

Nonetheless, it is not always objectively meaningful...and I personally don't need officials informing me of who isn't and is a terrorist organization. Plus, they're not trustworthny sources, sad to say.

If Howard Dean, Rudolph Guiliani, Andrew Card and other bigwigs are going to start hanging out with (officially designated) terrorist organizations; and advocating for them and even accepted money (which is completely illegal)...and the Government's response to this activity is to delist the organization as a terrorist one...then, well, we're dealing with total and bipartisan bullshit at the highest levels, and can't take their pronouncements on "terrorist organizations" seriously.

In fact, we are remiss exactly if we do take them seriously, given the unfortunate facts.

And didn't President Bush declare that aiding terrorists is exactly as bad as being a terrorist?

Whether he meant it or not (and I doubt it), it's plain that many politicians from both parties, as well as some eminent figures such as Elie Wiesel, are guilty by the letter and the spirit of such notions.

Edited October 28, 2012 by bleeding heart