Is the ship in the India Ocean for Iran or Syria

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So Syria invoked NATO apparently, this while Iraq has gotten cozy with Iran. PS Iraq has body armour now, but for real, what is Canada doing, I remember seeing the tanks rolling on over to the west the begining of September, have they started rolling back to the ME, has the gravel and dirt been emptied from the shipping containers, have the insurance policies on the soon to be retired cf18's been renewed.

NATO grandly said, we will be there for Turkey if it fails on it's own, so where is Canada's mobilization, where is the parliamentary debate on sending Canada's brave warriors to the shores of Syria and into the heat of battle in Allepo and Homs. Where's the beef?

Still no chemical or biological weapns (as far as we know) but those are for Israel and the US, not their friends the Turks right...

So where are the Canadian Steeds of War? Only talk of new low budget Air Canada lines to slect places in the Caribean and Europe? Surely this will cost less, its not landlocked and just under 1000 canadians are in nonncombat deployment just across the border from Iran in Afghanistan.

So the question is, where is the call to arms, France was attacked with a Mortar!

read the news save the blue hyperlinks for the cryptic.

(PPS syria also was the point of origin of mortars that hit ISRAEL TOO!! surely that is something Canada can get upset about..! No one seems to have heard about the attack on Israel as unlike Turkey Israel just said, stay way from the border. Turkey did the same but apoarently a family of 5 got hit, so now there are unconfirmed reports the Turkish media has claimed up to 10km of syria. Israel kept the peace cause they were probably worse aimed than Hamas and Hezzbollah so Israel didn't deem a response necesary... Cause Israel loves islamists...)

Where's the beef?

IS IT BEING RECALLED?

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[Moonbox]

The 'attack' on Turkey was pretty tame as far as attacks go and certainly doesn't justify mobilization for war. The conflict, however, is spilling out of hand, and NATO has a member on the conflict's border. I think this is Turkey's ball game and whatever action they decide is necessary (short of annexation or carpet bombings etc) should be supported.

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The 'attack' on Turkey was pretty tame as far as attacks go and certainly doesn't justify mobilization for war. The conflict, however, is spilling out of hand, and NATO has a member on the conflict's border. I think this is Turkey's ball game and whatever action they decide is necessary (short of annexation or carpet bombings etc) should be supported.

"attacks"

Any Irony this will be drowned out for thanksgiving,,,?

goebble goebble goebble

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19849748

Is attacking turkey really wrong...?

I had a good discussion with a Syrian who looked like he could fitnin with orthodox jews if he grew is sidelocks, and he thinks the gov intentionally did it, not a mistake, I didn't beleive him, why would you do this. But he inclines for me to think it is to remove the turkish threat of action by creating a context of turkish involvement only if Syria actively attacks turkey rather than imposition of a Nato imposed zone. So by Syria setting the conditions that give NATO the minimum if what it is trying to get, it defuses escalation with NATO. Now I am not so sure about that sunce they want to bomb Iran, and Iran is moving troops and plausibly weapons to arm them into syria. But none the less, very suprising. I'm suprised Canada isn't biting into this Turkey deal... too much on their plates?

It becomes a question of who ants before and after... nov 5th... but why does canada have ships in the indian ocean?

I can;t seem to identify it as being part of altair

http://www.navy.forces.gc.ca/cms/4/4-a_eng.asp?id=503

McKay "fleet conducting maritime security operations in the region"

Operation Artemis

Combined Maritime Forces

Canada is one of 26 nations that contributes naval assets to Combined Maritime Forces, the naval coalition that promotes security and stability in the international waters of the Middle East. This area comprises some of the world’s most important shipping lanes.

Combined Maritime Forces was formed in February 2002 as the coalition headquarters responsible for coordinating and leading naval participation in the international campaign against terrorism. Over the years, its mandate expanded to include counter-piracy operations as part of international efforts to ensure security in the maritime environment of the greater Middle East.

Combined Maritime Forces has its headquarters in Bahrain. It is commanded by the U.S. Navy vice-admiral who is also the commander of U.S. Naval Forces Central (NAVCENT) and the United States Fifth Fleet, both also headquartered in Bahrain. Its deputy commander is a British commodore from the Royal Navy. Canadian Forces staff and liaison officers serve at Combined Maritime Forces Headquarters under Operation FOUNDATION.

Combined Task Force 150

Combined Maritime Forces comprises three operational flotillas, called Combined Task Forces:

•CTF-150, responsible for maritime security and counter-terrorism;

Canada has deployed frigates to operate with CTF-150 since the beginning of Operation ALTAIR in 2004, and provided the Task Force Commander and flagship in 2008, also under Operation ALTAIR.

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[Moonbox]

I don't really understand what you're trying to say.

[GostHacked]

I don't really understand what you're trying to say.

What I can interpret is that Turkey will be used by NATO to false flag into a new bigger war.

[Topaz]

Who can afford another war, surly not Canada or the US and Britain isn't doing that well. I don't think most Canadians want to get into another one of these wars in the Middle-East, for Canada's interest, yeah right.

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Who can afford another war, surly not Canada or the US and Britain isn't doing that well. I don't think most Canadians want to get into another one of these wars in the Middle-East, for Canada's interest, yeah right.

It is some what distressing when the people turkey are backing are doing things like this..

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/syria-rebels-threaten-to-execute-iranians-1.153319

that is behaviour you expect from criminals and terrorists not governments in waiting.

if 41 Americans were executed america would whipe them out, iran would be fully justified to headlong deploy to syria in droves to whipe them out if they do that.

This a repeat of Libya and their kinder gentler human rights abusers

Oh and the topic -- why does a beef recall get more attention than a effective state of war among NATO. Its a big deal and crickets in Canada.

Pretty darn close to cyprus too. Or is this just wear them down tucker them out

or do jets go in the moment russia and china let the unsc motions pass

now that a causi belli exists for nato

is it true fear of china and russia that is preventing intervention or is it just all propaganda from the west

Or is it fear of chemical a d biological weapons stockpiles of syria?

It looks like a two faced arugment from the west

and yet another 3 days three incidences http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/06/us-syria-crisis-turkey-mortar-idUSBRE89503H20121006

Its turning into gaza east.

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[Moonbox]

if 41 Americans were executed america would whipe them out, iran would be fully justified to headlong deploy to syria in droves to whipe them out if they do that.

As far as Syrian rebels are concerned, Iran is already terrorizing them. By supplying Assad with weapons etc they believe Iran is directly involved in the murder of Syrian people. They also know that the Iranian army would be pounded into the ground the minute they crossed the Syrian border.

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As far as Syrian rebels are concerned, Iran is already terrorizing them. By supplying Assad with weapons etc they believe Iran is directly involved in the murder of Syrian people. They also know that the Iranian army would be pounded into the ground the minute they crossed the Syrian border.

What weapons were supplied.

Does Syria have a shortage of weapons?

Is 2 million firearms not enough?

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[Guest Derek L]

"attacks"

Any Irony this will be drowned out for thanksgiving,,,?

goebble goebble goebble

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19849748

Is attacking turkey really wrong...?

I had a good discussion with a Syrian who looked like he could fitnin with orthodox jews if he grew is sidelocks, and he thinks the gov intentionally did it, not a mistake, I didn't beleive him, why would you do this. But he inclines for me to think it is to remove the turkish threat of action by creating a context of turkish involvement only if Syria actively attacks turkey rather than imposition of a Nato imposed zone. So by Syria setting the conditions that give NATO the minimum if what it is trying to get, it defuses escalation with NATO. Now I am not so sure about that sunce they want to bomb Iran, and Iran is moving troops and plausibly weapons to arm them into syria. But none the less, very suprising. I'm suprised Canada isn't biting into this Turkey deal... too much on their plates?

It becomes a question of who ants before and after... nov 5th... but why does canada have ships in the indian ocean?

I can;t seem to identify it as being part of altair

http://www.navy.forces.gc.ca/cms/4/4-a_eng.asp?id=503

McKay "fleet conducting maritime security operations in the region"

Operation Artemis

I’m confused, how do you go from Turkey/Syria to our deployment of ships to the Persian Gulf? We’ve been deploying warships to the Gulf, on a semi regular basis since the First Gulf War, with an increased tempo post 9/11 as our contribution to the War on Terror.

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I’m confused, how do you go from Turkey/Syria to our deployment of ships to the Persian Gulf? We’ve been deploying warships to the Gulf, on a semi regular basis since the First Gulf War, with an increased tempo post 9/11 as our contribution to the War on Terror.

McKay didn't say it was for anti terror operations, he said it was for maritime security.

What no ships for Syria? What if Israel attacks Iran... how is canada going to respond?

Is Cyprus not too close to the war front to deploy from?

"War on Terror"

You mean that war that has escalated the prevalence of Terrorism in the middle east a billion fold... come now?

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[Guest Derek L]

It is some what distressing when the people turkey are backing are doing things like this..

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/syria-rebels-threaten-to-execute-iranians-1.153319

that is behaviour you expect from criminals and terrorists not governments in waiting.

if 41 Americans were executed america would whipe them out, iran would be fully justified to headlong deploy to syria in droves to whipe them out if they do that.

This a repeat of Libya and their kinder gentler human rights abusers

Oh and the topic -- why does a beef recall get more attention than a effective state of war among NATO. Its a big deal and crickets in Canada.

Pretty darn close to cyprus too. Or is this just wear them down tucker them out

or do jets go in the moment russia and china let the unsc motions pass

now that a causi belli exists for nato

is it true fear of china and russia that is preventing intervention or is it just all propaganda from the west

Or is it fear of chemical a d biological weapons stockpiles of syria?

It looks like a two faced arugment from the west

and yet another 3 days three incidences http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/06/us-syria-crisis-turkey-mortar-idUSBRE89503H20121006

Its turning into gaza east.

If Turkey feels threatened by continued “border incidents” initiated by the Syrians, as a signatory of the NATO alliance, they are within their right to invoke article 5 of the alliance, as such, since we’re also signatories of said NATO alliance, we’d be obligated to contribute to the collective defence of our partners……….If the Turks initiated said conflict, or didn’t make a request for collective defence, then we clearly have no obligation………..Of course, since Turkey has joined NATO, we’ve never been obligated to involve ourselves in their conflicts with the Greeks (in Cyprus) nor the Kurdish insurgency along the border of Turkey and Iraq…………Just as we didn’t directly involve ourselves in Vietnam, Malaya, the Falklands or Northern Ireland etc…………In reality, the Turks could handle the remnants of the Assad regime on their own.

[Guest Derek L]

McKay didn't say it was for anti terror operations, he said it was for maritime security.

And maritime security encompasses, in the Gulf, the war on terror via the guarantee of freedom of the seas in one of the worlds most vital shipping lanes……….the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea.

What no ships for Syria?

If required, but for a sustained deployment, at the expense of our contributions to the Gulf and anti piracy operations.

What if Israel attacks Iran... how is canada going to respond?

How is Iran going to respond? If they attempt to close the Gulf, probably along the lines of (Operation) Praying Mantis.........

Is Cyprus not too close to the war front to deploy from?

Deploy what? Ships? Aircraft?

"War on Terror"

You mean that war that has escalated the prevalence of Terrorism in the middle east a billion fold... come now?

When was the last Terror attack on North America? Seems to be working fine by me......

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If Turkey feels threatened by continued “border incidents” initiated by the Syrians, as a signatory of the NATO alliance, they are within their right to invoke article 5 of the alliance, as such, since we’re also signatories of said NATO alliance, we’d be obligated to contribute to the collective defence of our partners……….If the Turks initiated said conflict, or didn’t make a request for collective defence, then we clearly have no obligation………..Of course, since Turkey has joined NATO, we’ve never been obligated to involve ourselves in their conflicts with the Greeks (in Cyprus) nor the Kurdish insurgency along the border of Turkey and Iraq…………Just as we didn’t directly involve ourselves in Vietnam, Malaya, the Falklands or Northern Ireland etc…………In reality, the Turks could handle the remnants of the Assad regime on their own.

So why is/was NATO in Afghanistan again?

Also what if syrians were involved in Attacks in Turkey, like the 4 Turks that were reported to be killed in Allepo today.

Is this not part of the war on Terror, stopping terrrorism around the world and in the middle east, or where exactly are those anti terror activites suppose to happen?

Surely Turkish militants in Allepo, Syria must be terrorists, as they can't be rebels, much like the Irish in Syria, they can't be rebel's they arn't Syrian...

So why does the global war on syria stop at Turkey's porous border?

Exactly how many terrorists are there that can take on one Aircraft carrier let alone 3, and 21 nations other boats... gaurenteeing shiping lanes against the Terrorist Armada, it is ridiculous.. terrorists of the Indian Ocean??? Where the Maldives?

Deploy what? Ships? Aircraft?

Well what do you think would be needed to stem off an Iranian and Syrian push? Or say a mass Islamist anti Israeli stint.

Apparently Hezbollah has drone aircraft these days....

And yes there have been "terror attacks" in the US

what about the Batman guy.

or the guy who killed people and shot the US congress member.

or that US militarty doctor who opened up on base.

I would question though how many terror attacks in the US happened prior to 9/11 and who committed them in the US...

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[Moonbox]

Apparently Hezbollah has drone aircraft these days....

I can buy drone aircraft at Future Shop. What's your point? Hezbollah's drones are garbage and get shot down.

[Guest Derek L]

So why is/was NATO in Afghanistan again?

Afghanistan gave shelter to Al Qaeda……..Al Qaeda attacked the United States………the United States invoked article 5.

Also what if syrians were involved in Attacks in Turkey, like the 4 Turks that were reported to be killed in Allepo today.

See above answer:

If Turkey feels threatened by continued “border incidents” initiated by the Syrians......

Is this not part of the war on Terror, stopping terrrorism around the world and in the middle east, or where exactly are those anti terror activites suppose to happen?

It would depend, whether :

....Turkey feels threatened by continued “border incidents” initiated by the Syrians...

And said attacks were launched by the Syrians, a Syrian proxy, or a group like Al Qaeda....A fluid response for a fluid situation I suppose.

Surely Turkish militants in Allepo, Syria must be terrorists, as they can't be rebels, much like the Irish in Syria, they can't be rebel's they arn't Syrian...

So why does the global war on syria stop at Turkey's porous border?

Are they a threat to the "West"?

Exactly how many terrorists are there that can take on one Aircraft carrier let alone 3, and 21 nations other boats... gaurenteeing shiping lanes against the Terrorist Armada, it is ridiculous.. terrorists of the Indian Ocean??? Where the Maldives?

Barring an unlikely circumstance, there’s likely not enough……….But as demonstrated by Somali pirates, a handful can interrupt international trade.......Just as a small group of Iranians could in the Persian Gulf.

Well what do you think would be needed to stem off an Iranian and Syrian push? Or say a mass Islamist anti Israeli stint.

Apparently Hezbollah has drone aircraft these days....

Define "push", well being cognisant of what I said earlier:

In reality, the Turks could handle the remnants of the Assad regime on their own.

And yes there have been "terror attacks" in the US

what about the Batman guy.

or the guy who killed people and shot the US congress member.

or that US militarty doctor who opened up on base.

I would question though how many terror attacks in the US happened prior to 9/11 and who committed them in the US...

Did any of those “attacks” correspond with extremist Islamic terror groups? I don’t see the correlation……..

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I can buy drone aircraft at Future Shop. What's your point? Hezbollah's drones are garbage and get shot down.

So why is Israel making a big deal about it and why use a jet fighter and missile to take it down, wouldn't a simple EMP be enough to take down a future shop ... uhm what future shop do you shop at...

I'd like to see this drone for sale at future shop...

future shop... really....

did the rocket come from there too?

That phython (probably) fired probably cost like $10,000. Using these sorts of things if you can pick em up for a few hundred dollars at future shop that will be an attrition based victory pretty quick,

also where in Beirut is Future shop?

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[Guest Derek L]

So why is Israel making a big deal about it and why use a jet fighter and missile to take it down, wouldn't a simple EMP be enough to take down a future shop ... uhm what future shop do you shop at...

I'd like to see this drone for sale at future shop...

future shop... really....

did the rocket come from there too?

You don’t understand how EMP weapons work.

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Afghanistan gave shelter to Al Qaeda……..Al Qaeda attacked the United States………the United States invoked article 5.

who?

they offered to turn osama over to pakistan for trial. Also the fbi claimed pakistan was responsible for the attack not osama. and the attackers so said trained for the attack in the us not afghanistan and no one in afghanistan had contact with the hijackers.

Are they a threat to the "West"?

where are most people from the west killed by terrorists?

definately if they arn't just covert nato forces

(oh and irish have never been called terrorists before --- and what harm will a bunch of irish people fighting in libya and syria be to the west...?

Barring an unlikely circumstance, there’s likely not enough……….But as demonstrated by Somali pirates, a handful can interrupt international trade.......Just as a small group of Iranians could in the Persian Gulf.

but iranians arn't terrists, they are iranians , no?

Did any of those “attacks” correspond with extremist Islamic terror groups? I don’t see the correlation……..

why are only islamic groups able to count as terrorists?

as for how an emp works, yes I do and you don't seem to understand why using one to take down the drone would have been more practicle than beeaking it into a billion peices then trying to find them.

your argumentation seems to be --- muslims killed -- not terrorism islams kill therefor terrorists do I understand you right?

I'm suprised you are forgetting 911 facts like jews were al told not to report for work that day

also a billion and 1 non lethal technologies exist and the us kill osama and dump his body in the ocean...

most wanted man etc...

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[Guest Derek L]

who?

they offered to turn osama over to pakistan for trial. Also the fbi claimed pakistan was responsible for the attack not osama. and the attackers so said trained for the attack in the us not afghanistan and no one in afghanistan had contact with the hijackers.

Uh-huh…….

where are most people from the west killed by terrorists?

definately if they arn't just covert nato forces

Not in the West?

(oh and irish have never been called terrorists before --- and what harm will a bunch of irish people fighting in libya and syria be to the west...?

You've never heard of the IRA?

Libya now? And what Irish are you talking about?

but iranians arn't terrists, they are iranians , no?

Ahh, but can a terrorist be Iranian is the more apt question?

why are only islamic groups able to count as terrorists?

Who said that?

as for how an emp works, yes I do and you don't seem to understand why using one to take down the drone would have been more practicle than beeaking it into a billion peices then trying to find them.

By all means, please explain how "Israeli EMP weapons" can take down drones without "breaking it into a million pieces".......I might be missing something here, and I’ll gladly admit it, fore I’ve only been on several EMP & EMI related workshops put on by the NAWCAD/NAVAIR at both HX-21 squadron at NAS Patuxent River and the Key West ASW acoustic labs……..But please, go on.....Enlighten me

your argumentation seems to be --- muslims killed -- not terrorism islams kill therefor terrorists do I understand you right?

I think we're on a different plane.........

I'm suprised you are forgetting 911 facts like jews were al told not to report for work that day

also a billion and 1 non lethal technologies exist and the us kill osama and dump his body in the ocean...

most wanted man etc...

And here we go..........The ALCAN is strapped on tight......fire away.

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By all means, please explain how "Israeli EMP weapons"

can take down drones without "breaking it into a million pieces".......I might be missing something here, and I’ll gladly admit it, fore I’ve only been on several EMP & EMI related workshops put on by the NAWCAD/NAVAIR at both HX-21 squadron at NAS Patuxent River and the Key West ASW acoustic labs……..But please, go on.....Enlighten me

The drone was a low altitude low speed drone, which was beleived to have had GPS guidance systems, as well as electronic circuitry based navigation systems. As such frying the circuits would have disabled the drone. At which point it would be easily captured through harnessing or through disabling its propulsion system if it were not regulated by electronic systems.

While it may still explode on contact, I would beleive that the system if they intercepted it, would have been able to been taken down in an area prepared for soft landing.

I havn't been able to find much on Israeli EW modules though.

For instance something like this... perhaps

http://eurekaaerospace.com/news/abc-news-microwave-gun-could-end-high-speed-police-chases

They exist, even small ones have been made to shut down individual computers at close range... causing hardware failure and blue screening.

Now its true the system could be sheilded with some sort of Faraday system... but who knows...

EM's are an interest of mine due to an interest in HAM.

I think for reasons I can't disclose the CF is not an intensive EMP point in terms of their defence standards. I would think only very select facilities have any application for the stuff such as perhaps specific main communications centers (maybe), some advanced air systems, and a few very select facilities (that havn't been sold) for nuclear protection.

Of course there are cirulations of LARGE SCALE EMP use by Israel against Iran. But I would think Israel would have this stuff in the RECCE type arsenal.

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[Guest Derek L]

The drone was a low altitude low speed drone, which was beleived to have had GPS guidance systems, as well as electronic circuitry based navigation systems. As such frying the circuits would have disabled the drone. At which point it would be easily captured through harnessing or through disabling its propulsion system if it were not regulated by electronic systems.

While it may still explode on contact, I would beleive that the system if they intercepted it, would have been able to been taken down in an area prepared for soft landing.

I havn't been able to find much on Israeli EW modules though.

For instance something like this... perhaps

http://eurekaaerospace.com/news/abc-news-microwave-gun-could-end-high-speed-police-chases

They exist, even small ones have been made to shut down individual computers at close range... causing hardware failure and blue screening.

Now its true the system could be sheilded with some sort of Faraday system... but who knows...

EM's are an interest of mine due to an interest in HAM.

I think for reasons I can't disclose the CF is not an intensive EMP point in terms of their defence standards. I would think only very select facilities have any application for the stuff such as perhaps specific main communications centers (maybe), some advanced air systems, and a few very select facilities (that havn't been sold) for nuclear protection.

Of course there are cirulations of LARGE SCALE EMP use by Israel against Iran. But I would think Israel would have this stuff in the RECCE type arsenal.

"Israeli EW modules" eh?

And what generates the “power” to (easily) “harness” and/’or “disable” the “drone”?

Remember, you inferred EMP weapons right? Not much to “harness” after a “EMP strike”………..

Here’s one for you:

Perhaps the Israelis were able to “harness” enough information via the Electro-optic effect garnered by the IAF’s SAR & LANTIRN equipped aircraft…….What do you think?

None the less, I fail to see how this confirms your assertion the Israelis would have garnered further information via the usage of some mythical “EMP weapon” that would allow the IDF to “harness” the drone to a “prepared area” allowing for a “soft landing”…………

As I said, you don’t know what you’re talking about in regards to EMP weapons.

Oh, and welcome back William

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There are things called Helicopters...

so yeah rigging up some harnesses chucking a highly thermal fabric parachute or cavas. or just water bombing the thing.

Settling up a crash mat or even attaching a crash mat onto the bottom ain't impossible.

The EMP stuff ain't mythical it exists.

All they would need to do is knock out the propulsion.

even a giant electro magnet may have functioned if it had metalic parts or just using down draft on a helicopter to force it off course, depending on its sophistication.

Say giant fire hose

none the less, yes it would have been possible, they really just didn't care, I actually think it was just to substantiate doing fly overs of Lebanon in retrospect to increase the "fear of complaicency" and technological innovation in Israeli's classic enemies of state.

Now unknown is if there was an autodestruct sequence but the thing could have been yanked down instead of blown up

even a few sonic boom wakes well placed would have wreaked havoc on the subsonic aircraft.

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[Guest Derek L]

There are things called Helicopters...

so yeah rigging up some harnesses chucking a highly thermal fabric parachute or cavas. or just water bombing the thing.

Settling up a crash mat or even attaching a crash mat onto the bottom ain't impossible.

The EMP stuff ain't mythical it exists.

All they would need to do is knock out the propulsion.

even a giant electro magnet may have functioned if it had metalic parts or just using down draft on a helicopter to force it off course, depending on its sophistication.

Say giant fire hose

none the less, yes it would have been possible, they really just didn't care, I actually think it was just to substantiate doing fly overs of Lebanon in retrospect to increase the "fear of complaicency" and technological innovation in Israeli's classic enemies of state.

Now unknown is if there was an autodestruct sequence but the thing could have been yanked down instead of blown up

even a few sonic boom wakes well placed would have wreaked havoc on the subsonic aircraft.

Oooo------K

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[Fletch 27]

The rebels terrorists fighting the syrian government fired on turkey in a grasp for retaliation against the syrian gov. That's it. It's gonna be lybia and Egypt all over again. We will back the terrorists... Thank the media.

Bashir is all that keeping these wacko-job suicidal terrorists in line..