Iran's economy is hemorrhaging and in free fall!

[DogOnPorch]

I'm sure several countries have scary contingency plans. But yeah, millions dead would've been scary business.

British and Canadians would have likely been involved in the invasion of Japan. The US saved everyone the trouble...ultimately even saved the Japanese.

[GostHacked]

So you think the CIA composed the material you're posting because it's linked to the CIA's official domain? In other words, you're trying to assert that the CIA in on-board with your narrative?

More or less I am on board with THEIR narrative.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB28/

This extremely important document is one of the last major pieces of the puzzle explaining American and British roles in the August 1953 coup against Iranian Premier Mohammad Mossadeq. Written in March 1954 by Donald Wilber, one of the operation’s chief planners, the 200-page document is essentially an after-action report, apparently based in part on agency cable traffic and Wilber’s interviews with agents who had been on the ground in Iran as the operation lurched to its conclusion.

Long-sought by historians, the Wilber history is all the more valuable because it is one of the relatively few documents that still exists after an unknown quantity of materials was destroyed by CIA operatives – reportedly “routinely” – in the 1960s, according to former CIA Director James Woolsey. However, according to an investigation by the National Archives and Records Administration, released in March 2000, “no schedules in effect during the period 1959-1963 provided for the disposal of records related to covert actions and, therefore, the destruction of records related to Iran was unauthorized.” (p. 22) The CIA now says that about 1,000 pages of documentation remain locked in agency vaults.

[kraychik]

British and Canadians would have likely been involved in the invasion of Japan. The US saved everyone the trouble...ultimately even saved the Japanese.

That's how I see it. Although this is preaching to the choir, here's a good video about this subject matter that I think you'll appreciate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2AhV-QU1_M

You know, one of Truman's grandchildren recently attended a memorial in Hiroshima. What a disgrace. He's basically using his namesake as a cynical tool in the campaign of anti-Americanism from the left.

[DogOnPorch]

That's how I see it. Although this is preaching to the choir, here's a good video about this subject matter that I think you'll appreciate:

You know, one of Truman's grandchildren recently attended a memorial in Hiroshima. What a disgrace. He's basically using his namesake as a cynical tool in the campaign of anti-Americanism from the left.

I have a lot of respect for the Japanese as combatants during WW2 from an historical POV. Their navy was superb. Their pilots during the first part of the war were second to none. Their army, fearless and disciplined. Where they failed was in their officer corp from both services save Yamamoto and perhaps Tanaka. Much too consumed by the Bushido code...which like Islam, can make men charge machine guns for the glory of a higher purpose.

Edited October 4, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[bud]

More or less I am on board with THEIR narrative.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB28/

nice to see kraychik getting a chance to learn a thing or two.

[Guest Peeves]

I have a lot of respect for the Japanese as combatants during WW2 from an historical POV. Their navy was superb. Their pilots during the first part of the war were second to none. Their army, fearless and disciplined. Where they failed was in their officer corp from both services save Yamamoto and perhaps Tanaka. Much too consumed by the Bushido code...which like Islam, can make men charge machine guns for the glory of a higher purpose.

The Japanese were worthy of no respect whatsoever.

They were sadistic and brutal to civilians in China,

"The Nanjing Massacre, also known as "The Rape of Nanking," is a rare example of simultaneous gendercides against women and men. It is generally remembered for the invading forces' barbaric treatment of Chinese women. Many thousands of them were killed after gang rape, and tens of thousands of others brutally injured and traumatized. Meanwhile, approximately a quarter of a million defenseless Chinese men were rounded up as prisoners-of-war and murdered en masse, used for bayonet practice, or burned and buried alive."

http://www.gendercide.org/case_nanking.html

War prisoners were simply treated as non humans. The Bataan death march just one example.

"The Bataan Death March was a 70-mile forced march of American and Filipino prisoners of war by Japanese forces during World War II.

Approximately 72,000 American and Filipino soldiers were forced to surrender to Japan's Imperial Army after their defeat in the grinding, three-month-long Battle of Bataan (January 7 - April 9, 1942). The Allied soldiers had not been resupplied for a couple of months, and many were sick and malnourished.

Despite the poor condition of the prisoners, the Japanese command calculated that it would take them only 3 days to march 70 miles through the jungle. Local officers took this order to heart, driving the wounded, ill, and emaciated prisoners relentless through the tropical heat.

The prisoners also were routinely denied food and water.

Anyone who fell behind, complained, had a souvenir taken from a fallen Japanese soldier, or even looked at one of the Japanese wrong was bayoneted or shot. Some prisoners were shot for stopping to fill their canteens at a road-side ditch.

Rifle-butt beatings were common, for offenses such as helping a faltering comrade. Many prisoners were bayoneted for no apparent reason, or for fun. Filipino civilians along the path who offered food or water to the prisoners were also summarily killed by the Japanese.

In total, some 18,000 - 20,000 of the POWs died on the Bataan Death March, which ended up taking one week. Some simply collapsed and died of illness or starvation, but most were murdered. A large but unknown number of the POWs died shortly thereafter in the internment camps as well, from the after-effects of their forced march."

http://asianhistory.about.com/od/asianhistoryfaqs/f/BataanGlos.htm

[DogOnPorch]

The Japanese were worthy of no respect whatsoever.

They were sadistic and brutal to civilians in China,

"The Nanjing Massacre, also known as "The Rape of Nanking," is a rare example of simultaneous gendercides against women and men. It is generally remembered for the invading forces' barbaric treatment of Chinese women. Many thousands of them were killed after gang rape, and tens of thousands of others brutally injured and traumatized. Meanwhile, approximately a quarter of a million defenseless Chinese men were rounded up as prisoners-of-war and murdered en masse, used for bayonet practice, or burned and buried alive."

http://www.gendercide.org/case_nanking.html

War prisoners were simply treated as non humans. The Bataan death march just one example.

"The Bataan Death March was a 70-mile forced march of American and Filipino prisoners of war by Japanese forces during World War II.

Approximately 72,000 American and Filipino soldiers were forced to surrender to Japan's Imperial Army after their defeat in the grinding, three-month-long Battle of Bataan (January 7 - April 9, 1942). The Allied soldiers had not been resupplied for a couple of months, and many were sick and malnourished.

Despite the poor condition of the prisoners, the Japanese command calculated that it would take them only 3 days to march 70 miles through the jungle. Local officers took this order to heart, driving the wounded, ill, and emaciated prisoners relentless through the tropical heat.

The prisoners also were routinely denied food and water.

Anyone who fell behind, complained, had a souvenir taken from a fallen Japanese soldier, or even looked at one of the Japanese wrong was bayoneted or shot. Some prisoners were shot for stopping to fill their canteens at a road-side ditch.

Rifle-butt beatings were common, for offenses such as helping a faltering comrade. Many prisoners were bayoneted for no apparent reason, or for fun. Filipino civilians along the path who offered food or water to the prisoners were also summarily killed by the Japanese.

In total, some 18,000 - 20,000 of the POWs died on the Bataan Death March, which ended up taking one week. Some simply collapsed and died of illness or starvation, but most were murdered. A large but unknown number of the POWs died shortly thereafter in the internment camps as well, from the after-effects of their forced march."

http://asianhistory.about.com/od/asianhistoryfaqs/f/BataanGlos.htm

Preaching to the choir. My points still stand as I'm referring only to Japan's fighting ability, not their various atrocities that I've also mentioned.

[bleeding heart]

The Japanese were worthy of no respect whatsoever.

They were sadistic and brutal to civilians in China,

DoP has been perfectly clear on that front.

He was talking military skill and military courage, not civility and morality.

Surely you have some friendly things to say about particular Roman efforts...which doesn't mean they weren't violently brutal at times, which they were.

[DogOnPorch]

DoP has been perfectly clear on that front.

He was talking military skill and military courage, not civility and morality.

Surely you have some friendly things to say about particular Roman efforts...which doesn't mean they weren't violently brutal at times, which they were.

Indeed. Weird that several threads have come down to the same darn thing.

[bleeding heart]

Indeed. Weird that several threads have come down to the same darn thing.

Temporary little anomalies. Haven't the foggiest how or why such things happen.

[GostHacked]

nice to see kraychik getting a chance to learn a thing or two.

And that is why we see thread drift.