TDSB finally pulls sex tip website link

[Mr.Canada]

The Toronto District School Board has pulled several questionable links from its website, including one containing advice on kinky sex and one on how to clean drug needles.

It described how an individual “could suck, kiss, touch, bite, fondle, nibble, squeeze and lick someone’s body, nipples, calves, toes, neck” and other areas.

It talks of masturbation in front of the mirror, acting out fantasies and using sex toys. It also suggests penetration with “dildoes, vegetables, or butt plugs.”

This has no place on a school board website. It is immoral and wrong to teach these things to children, possibly illegal. I don't think it's the TDSB's job to make explicit material easily available for children. An 8 year old could've easily stumbled upon these websites, websites which were on the TDSB site. The TDSB site is mean't as a safe place for students of all ages to go for information. A safe place free of dangerous material.

According to ... the Criminal Code of Canada, it is an indictable offence to 'endanger the morals of the child'.

I know that Toronto is mostly a socialist paradise but surely even thaey are not above the law. I'm startinhg to wonder if these people who run the TDSB even care about or even like children at all. They are putting children at risk and potentially scarrring them for life by exposing them to images and words like the ones above.

It read, in part: “Most of us learn that sex means a man on top of a woman, and that the only other choice is abstinence. But sex can be lots of things ... women have sex with women, men have sex with men, women have sex with men — and sometimes the best sex is with yourself!”

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The TDSB has taken a step for the worse with this. I don't know how they thought that this was acceptable fror children to be exposed to.

[Black Dog]

Any particular reason this couldn't go in the other thread on this subject?

[Mr.Canada]

Any particular reason this couldn't go in the other thread on this subject?

This story broke 10 hours ago and there has been no other topics created in that time frame. So I created one specifically dealing with this subject. Please do try to keep your posts on topic. It would be appeciated. You can just pm me to discuss things that are off topic. Thank you.

[Michael Hardner]

I already posted the warning which adorns the link page. Firstly, the page is for teachers not students, and it warns the teachers to audit the material before presenting it.

There is sex on the internet. Students who want to find it will find it, and they won't get there from the TDSB website.

This is a trumped-up controversy.

[Mr.Canada]

I already posted the warning which adorns the link page. Firstly, the page is for teachers not students, and it warns the teachers to audit the material before presenting it.

There is sex on the internet. Students who want to find it will find it, and they won't get there from the TDSB website.

This is a trumped-up controversy.

Yea sure. If there was nothing wrong with it then why did they pull it so quickly? Why didn't they just leave it up and defend it's position. Instead they just took it down telling me that they too thought their was something wrong with it.

[Black Dog]

Yea sure. If there was nothing wrong with it then why did they pull it so quickly? Why didn't they just leave it up and defend it's position. Instead they just took it down telling me that they too thought their was something wrong with it.

Because nattering nincompoops like Charles McVety and his tools at Sun Media made the issue more trouble than it was worth.

I hope you and your ilk are happy that kids will get their sex ed from porn sites.

[Wild Bill]

I already posted the warning which adorns the link page. Firstly, the page is for teachers not students, and it warns the teachers to audit the material before presenting it.

There is sex on the internet. Students who want to find it will find it, and they won't get there from the TDSB website.

This is a trumped-up controversy.

When you post links on your site you are acknowledging some kind of association or relationship, if not approval. You don't post a link unless you want visitors to your site to see the link and have an easy path to reach it.

This is much different from surfers finding porn on their own.

[Black Dog]

When you post links on your site you are acknowledging some kind of association or relationship, if not approval.

No.

[Michael Hardner]

Yea sure. If there was nothing wrong with it then why did they pull it so quickly?

If there's enough misinformation out there from people like you and the SUN then there will be a political backlash.

[Michael Hardner]

When you post links on your site you are acknowledging some kind of association or relationship, if not approval. You don't post a link unless you want visitors to your site to see the link and have an easy path to reach it.

Yes, and they qualified the support with the copy on the page with links. This is a non-issue.

People are upset that sex exists, nothing we can do about that.

[Mr.Canada]

If there's enough misinformation out there from people like you and the SUN then there will be a political backlash.

Every major news outlet is carrying the story. So you must blame them all. The SUN had accurate information. Do you not believe it when the Star runs a story about Rob Ford? I sure hope so.

[Wild Bill]

Yes, and they qualified the support with the copy on the page with links. This is a non-issue.

People are upset that sex exists, nothing we can do about that.

Some are. You must know my ex-wife.

That's a bit simplistic, IMHO. I think in this instance many parents are genuinely upset that explicit sexual issues are being made too easily available to their children, at too early an age for them to deal with.

It is true that the little darlings can find anything they want on the Net but still, that's different than handing it to them on a platter, along with text commentary pushing a more adult agenda.

Jesuits used to say that if you gave them a child until the age of 7 he would be their Catholic boy for life. There is much truth in that. The young tend to swallow whatever they are taught. What is embedded first tends to stick.

Perhaps it is a futile effort but most responsible parents try to teach their values to their children as best as they can. Links like those provided by the School Board are really an end run around the parents' efforts.

I just can't respect that. Schools are not there to be social engineers. They have neither the right nor the competence. Many parents may also lack the competence but it is THEIR right!

[Michael Hardner]

Every major news outlet is carrying the story. So you must blame them all.

I have no problem with that.

The SUN had accurate information. Do you not believe it when the Star runs a story about Rob Ford? I sure hope so.

It was accurate in that they can't be sued for lying.

The Star's stance on Ford is similarly misleading.

[Michael Hardner]

It is true that the little darlings can find anything they want on the Net but still, that's different than handing it to them on a platter, along with text commentary pushing a more adult agenda.

The site is for teachers.

I just can't respect that. Schools are not there to be social engineers. They have neither the right nor the competence. Many parents may also lack the competence but it is THEIR right!

The schools are there to teach what the community decides will make them better citizens. Enough people think that violence and discrimination against oppressed people is a problem - thankfully - that the schools are showing us why that is wrong.

They have the right and the competence. If you don't like it, then go to the ballot box with your concern. Luckily, you're in a tiny minority who makes a lot of noise on web boards but also (again, luckily) doesn't have the patience to run their complaints through proper channels.

[Wild Bill]

The site is for teachers.

The schools are there to teach what the community decides will make them better citizens. Enough people think that violence and discrimination against oppressed people is a problem - thankfully - that the schools are showing us why that is wrong.

They have the right and the competence. If you don't like it, then go to the ballot box with your concern. Luckily, you're in a tiny minority who makes a lot of noise on web boards but also (again, luckily) doesn't have the patience to run their complaints through proper channels.

Michael, we both know how few people vote for their local school board Trustee. Often a candidate will be elected by acclamation. I have often wondered why I bother to vote for the position. I guess I am still too much of a boy scout.

Virtually always if there are more than one candidate they are indistinguishable anyway.

My experience with schools has been that the boards do whatever they like. If any parents object they are made to believe they are in the minority. Sometimes parents get together and find that they are actually the majority!

I can't count the number of times things were changed at my daughters' school "for insurance reasons". Whenever I asked if there were any examples of something actually resulting in a claim to justify the change I never once got an answer.

I'm too old with too many commitments to run for Trustee myself. A crusader needs to be a lot younger. As I have said, I was very lucky to be so successful with my own children. More than that I cannot ask.

[Michael Hardner]

Michael, we both know how few people vote for their local school board Trustee. Often a candidate will be elected by acclamation. I have often wondered why I bother to vote for the position. I guess I am still too much of a boy scout.

Sorry to hear that. I guess we're doomed then, since nobody cares about this vital issue enough to vote. Or could it be that most people are satisfied with the way it's being managed ?

My experience with schools has been that the boards do whatever they like. If any parents object they are made to believe they are in the minority. Sometimes parents get together and find that they are actually the majority!

Sometimes, hmmm... well maybe this phantom majority should show their faces and we'd have something to talk about. Until then, feel free to complain on MLW where your concerns will result in no change whatsoever.

I can't count the number of times things were changed at my daughters' school "for insurance reasons". Whenever I asked if there were any examples of something actually resulting in a claim to justify the change I never once got an answer.

They manage communications poorly, and feedback especially so - I have pointed that out on here.

My assessment is that most people are in agreement with moving same-sex relationships out of the dark and into the light - until somebody cares enough to vote about it I guess your supposition is in the realm of the possible.

[Wild Bill]

My assessment is that most people are in agreement with moving same-sex relationships out of the dark and into the light - until somebody cares enough to vote about it I guess your supposition is in the realm of the possible.

Is that all it's about? That sure makes things easier!

I have no problem with "moving same sex relationships out of the dark". I just have a problem with how the school system always goes about such things.

They always seem to think that you bring about acceptance by making groups "special". Every group gets their turn being "more equal than others".

I would rather just treat everyone the same and such issues as no big deal. If there is some clear discrimination going on then by all means something should be done but otherwise, "can't we all just get along?".

Someone once said "The love that dare not speak its name is now the love that won't shut up!"

It often seems applicable today.