Shell Oil wants a carbon cost

[jacee]

Man, Harper has to stop listening to his dinosaur retrogressive friends and see the future!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/president-of-royal-dutch-shell-canadian-division-urges-carbon-price/article4534929/

Shell last week announced it would build a $1.35-billion carbon-capture-and-storage (CCS) project at its Scottford upgrader, with Ottawa providing $120-million and Alberta $745-million.

But Ms. Mitchelmore said CCS technology won’t be widely adopted unless there is a price on carbon –either through a tax, a cap-and-trade system or regulations on emissions.

“Right now it would need a real significant price, but we see that with the learning and the technology you bring to bear, we see that coming down. But you will need a carbon price,” Ms. Mitchelmore said in an interview from Charlottetown, where she had addressed the federal, provincial and territorial energy ministers.

The Harper government has categorically rejected calls to adopt a carbon price, and accused New Democratic Party Leader Thomas Mulcair of backing a ruinous carbon tax, even though the NDP in fact supports the kind of cap-and-trade approach once favoured by the Conservatives.

Harper is out to lunch, politicking to his core profiteering FINANCIAL BACKERS fighting to keep increasing emissions, instead of working with progressive industries that are ready for a future that

includes emissions reductions ... and paying the price for emissions.

I don't care whether it's direct carbon tax or cap and trade ... it's time to make emitters (and yes, consumers pay the true environmental costs.

Clearly the industry is ready for it.

Is our government too busy playing politics?

Edited September 17, 2012 by jacee

[PIK]

Man, Harper has to stop listening to his dinosaur retrogressive friends and see the future!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/president-of-royal-dutch-shell-canadian-division-urges-carbon-price/article4534929/

Shell last week announced it would build a $1.35-billion carbon-capture-and-storage (CCS) project at its Scottford upgrader, with Ottawa providing $120-million and Alberta $745-million.

But Ms. Mitchelmore said CCS technology won’t be widely adopted unless there is a price on carbon –either through a tax, a cap-and-trade system or regulations on emissions.

“Right now it would need a real significant price, but we see that with the learning and the technology you bring to bear, we see that coming down. But you will need a carbon price,” Ms. Mitchelmore said in an interview from Charlottetown, where she had addressed the federal, provincial and territorial energy ministers.

The Harper government has categorically rejected calls to adopt a carbon price, and accused New Democratic Party Leader Thomas Mulcair of backing a ruinous carbon tax, even though the NDP in fact supports the kind of cap-and-trade approach once favoured by the Conservatives.

Harper is out to lunch, politicking to his core profiteering FINANCIAL BACKERS fighting to keep increasing emissions, instead of working with progressive industries that are ready for a future that

includes emissions reductions ... and paying the price for emissions.

I don't care whether it's direct carbon tax or cap and trade ... it's time to make emitters (and yes, consumers pay the true environmental costs.

Clearly the industry is ready for it.

Is our government too busy playing politics?

Of course the industry is ready for it as long as we the taxpayer pays for it. They are doing it because they know that they just have to say something that will make the left feel good at the end of the day. Feel good policies ,that is why the left never ever accomplishis anything. Like Kyoto, it is not going to work , but sure does sound good enough so I can sleep at nite.

[Mr.Canada]

Man, Harper has to stop listening to his dinosaur retrogressive friends and see the future!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/president-of-royal-dutch-shell-canadian-division-urges-carbon-price/article4534929/

Shell last week announced it would build a $1.35-billion carbon-capture-and-storage (CCS) project at its Scottford upgrader, with Ottawa providing $120-million and Alberta $745-million.

But Ms. Mitchelmore said CCS technology won’t be widely adopted unless there is a price on carbon –either through a tax, a cap-and-trade system or regulations on emissions.

“Right now it would need a real significant price, but we see that with the learning and the technology you bring to bear, we see that coming down. But you will need a carbon price,” Ms. Mitchelmore said in an interview from Charlottetown, where she had addressed the federal, provincial and territorial energy ministers.

The Harper government has categorically rejected calls to adopt a carbon price, and accused New Democratic Party Leader Thomas Mulcair of backing a ruinous carbon tax, even though the NDP in fact supports the kind of cap-and-trade approach once favoured by the Conservatives.

Harper is out to lunch, politicking to his core profiteering FINANCIAL BACKERS fighting to keep increasing emissions, instead of working with progressive industries that are ready for a future that

includes emissions reductions ... and paying the price for emissions.

I don't care whether it's direct carbon tax or cap and trade ... it's time to make emitters (and yes, consumers pay the true environmental costs.

Clearly the industry is ready for it.

Is our government too busy playing politics?

"profiteering FINANCIAL BACKERS"? This isn't the United States where anyone and everyone can donate any amount to a political party we have controls in place so this cannot happen. Any Canadian can only donate a fixed amount, perhaps you were unaware.

Any sort of carbon tax isn't going to do anything except take more money out of taxpayers pockets. Nothing will change. I find that most left wingers are incredibly naive in this respect.

[jacee]

Of course the industry is ready for it as long as we the taxpayer pays for it. They are doing it because they know that they just have to say something that will make the left feel good at the end of the day. Feel good policies ,that is why the left never ever accomplishis anything. Like Kyoto, it is not going to work , but sure does sound good enough so I can sleep at nite.

Consumers pay.

Glad you're on board with this.

Now I can sleep at night.

[jacee]

"profiteering FINANCIAL BACKERS"? This isn't the United States where anyone and everyone can donate any amount to a political party we have controls in place so this cannot happen. Any Canadian can only donate a fixed amount, perhaps you were unaware.

I'm aware of ways they get around it:

- Rob Ford's cousin paid his staff $50 each to write $1000 donation cheques, that he reimbursed.

- An oil sands operation got a $250m federal subsidy, ALL of which was paid out to 'stockholders'.

- Harper gave fraudster Bruce Carson $65m, ostensibly for researching alternative energy technologies but actually used for glitzy 'ethical oil' sands promotion.

I'm sure you can think of other tactics, and anything we can think of I'm sure they do.

Any sort of carbon tax isn't going to do anything except take more money out of taxpayers pockets. Nothing will change. I find that most left wingers are incredibly naive in this respect.

It will slow oilsands development, reduce emissions, cost consumers more, reducing emissions again, and help taxpayers pay for environmental remediation due to oil operations. All good.

[Mr.Canada]

It will slow oilsands development, reduce emissions, cost consumers more, reducing emissions again, and help taxpayers pay for environmental remediation due to oil operations. All good.

It will not slow down the oil sands production one bit bit it will instead raise prices for consumers overnight. Raising gas prices so high that Canadians cannot afford to drive isn't a reasonable solution to pollution emissions. Funding cleaner alternatives is a better solution so we don't need to rely on petrol as much.

[gunrutz]

So we are now going to go along with one of the evil oil companies? O the irony.

[jacee]

So we are now going to go along with one of the evil oil companies? O the irony.

The world isn't as simple as evil and good.

[jacee]

It will not slow down the oil sands production one bit bit it will instead raise prices for consumers overnight. Raising gas prices so high that Canadians cannot afford to drive isn't a reasonable solution to pollution emissions. Funding cleaner alternatives is a better solution so we don't need to rely on petrol as much.

The world isn't as simple as all or nothing.