WWWTT Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 Not only is China's economy 4x bigger than ours, they're also notorious for cooking their books. No I believe that wyly's statements here are true. Keep in mind that China is not a net exporter of fossil fuels overall so they have a strong interest in renewable sources of energy. In fact I believe a majority of countries around the world use more than what they export so green energy that you can generate in your back yard is of tremendous value and is worth the costly venture. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 and I responded to Shady's earlier beaking off over photosynthesis in post #412 in this thread... where I replayed a summary post from an earlier time where he did just the same. A post that reflects upon many, many earlier MLW discussions concerning the impacts of increased CO2 on, 'acclimated plants, soil saturation, crop yields, invasive weeds, the efficacy of widely used herbicides, pest prevalence, distinct effects on pasture and range-land photosynthesis, a northward shifting of viable agriculture, etc., etc., etc.. Did you even read that earlier #412 post in this thread... there's a catchy lil' video for you there! Don't be afraid of it - educate yourself! Did you mention the greatest consumer of CO2 on the planet? You know what it is right? It also starts with the letter "P" by the way WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
waldo Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 This is false.I believe many researchers have doubted this. profound, particularly given you state you don't accept the greenhouse effect! Quote
WWWTT Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 what individuals or groups are telling 'you' to stop asking questions... to believe what 'you' are told? what you are saying, what you've clearly stated, while demonstrating no subject knowledge, openness or genuine skepticism, is that you are a denier... showing a typical denier propensity to spout off with absolutes over any inclination to self-educate. You ever look in the mirror buddy? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 Your pomposity... you denier pomposity appears to know no/few bounds So how does this comment answer my question about the levels of CO2 currently in our atmosphere and what level at which would cause drastic climatic changes? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
wyly Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 We are talking about climate change and not economic equalization, right? you introduced economics to the debate right? now you want to avoid it because it's inconvenient? Not only is China's economy 4x bigger than ours, they're also notorious for cooking their books.4 times wow! that's really impressive for a country with 40 times our population Fix it? How on earth do we fix it? It's cringe-worthy watching people like you attempt the mental gymnastics required to support this sort of position. Because the west got rich polluting the atmosphere, developing nations have no responsibility in ensuring they don't make the problem worse?what's cringe worthy is watching the contortions you put yourself through when you encounter issues you've never thought out beforehand... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
waldo Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 Did you mention the greatest consumer of CO2 on the planet?You know what it is right? It also starts with the letter "P" by the way do you even know what the carbon cycle is? The letter "P"? Oh, right... you're the "P"lankton guy! Then why is there no ideas or proposals to encourage plankton (the Earths greatest consumer of CO2) growth? In fact the best way to eliminate CO2 has always been to encourage the growth of CO2 consumers. When obvious solutions are avoided then somethings up. another silver-bullet geo-engineering solution... that has been/continues to be... "researched". Research that must deal with simple trials and commercial scale replication; notwithstanding, the impacts to oceans from iron seeding, the impacts to aquatic/marine life associated with lost oxygen related to decomposing plankton, impacts related to the ocean levels where plankton settles out (in terms of decomposition versus consumption versus the retention of CO2 near the ocean surface), impacts related to toxic plankton blooms, etc. Of course, the other side of increased CO2 absorption by the oceans as a part of the normal carbon cycle, relates directly to ocean acidification... and it's subsequent negative impacts on plankton growth itself. Do you see a self-defeating cyclic problem here? Gee, I wonder if there's a simpler solution... something about mankind working to reduce, to significantly reduce, CO2 emissions associated with the burning of fossil-fuels - what a concept! Quote
waldo Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 what individuals or groups are telling 'you' to stop asking questions... to believe what 'you' are told?You ever look in the mirror buddy? quit making shyte up. I relish your questions... I've explained why I have no use for them, given your exhibited denier approach. But I relish you asking them - if only to showcase your ignorance on the subject matter! Quote
WWWTT Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 do you even know what the carbon cycle is? The letter "P"? Oh, right... you're the "P"lankton guy! Funny how you still deny how much CO2 is actually consumed through photosynthesis? Oh wait,did I use the word "deny"? Here's an idea,how about doing the actual calculations?Instead of just rambling off a bunch of scenarios. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
wyly Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) This is false. I believe many researchers have doubted this. WWWTT no... and here is where it all boils down, CO2 was confirmed as a GHG in 1859 and that's definitive there is no dispute, none...that you openly deny verified science removes any legitimacy from your skepticism and places you firmly in the denier/conspiracy camp...if claiming the sun rose in the west suited your political bent you'd insist that too was unverified... Edited September 25, 2012 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
WWWTT Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 quit making shyte up. Why swear buddy? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 no... and here is where it all boils down, CO2 was confirmed as a GHG in 1862 and that's definitive there is no dispute, none...that you openly deny verified science removes any legitimacy from your skepticism and places you firmly in the denier/conspiracy camp...if claiming the sun rose in the west suited your political bent you'd insist that too was unverified... Provide a link and I will consider retracting my statement. I will continue this debate this afternoon. Please do not use foul language either thank you WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
waldo Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 Actually my approach in this debate is to ask you to ask more questions. to ask me... to ask more questions! Your pomposity... you denier pomposity appears to know no/few bounds, hey? So how does this comment answer my question about the levels of CO2 currently in our atmosphere and what level at which would cause drastic climatic changes? as clearly shown above, the comment responded directly to your statement advising of, "your, ahem... debate... approach" - your pompous statement. Quote
waldo Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 Provide a link and I will consider retracting my statement. snap to it wyly! Provide a link to the unsubstantiated nonsense MLW member, 'WWWTT' requests of you. Apparently, there is no call for him to substantiate anything he says - anything! Quote
waldo Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 Funny how you still deny how much CO2 is actually consumed through photosynthesis?Oh wait,did I use the word "deny"? Here's an idea,how about doing the actual calculations?Instead of just rambling off a bunch of scenarios. clearly, you're not a big picture guy! Calculations? Are you a numbers guy?... show us the/your calculations. Show us, anything... substantiated. Don't forget to suggest/interpret how it all fits into the... big picture, hey? Quote
wyly Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 snap to it wyly! Provide a link to the unsubstantiated nonsense MLW member, 'WWWTT' requests of you. Apparently, there is no call for him to substantiate anything he says - anything! what? verify co2 is a ghg or that the sun doesn't rise in the west?...denier world has never realized the debate was never about whether or not CO2 is greenhouse gas, it's always been about how much of an increase in CO2 levels would be required for a noticeable temperature change... and are there any other known natural events that could cause the same effect...as we both know other known suspects are absent which leaves only CO2 holding the smoking gun... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 Provide a link and I will consider retracting my statement. how about you provide a link proving otherwise and turn the entire science world on it's head...there could be a Nobel Prize in it for you... the onus is all on you... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
kraychik Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 There is NO evidence that the weather is weirder/extreme that in the past. All we see here are CAGW fanatics desperate to shore up their endless narrative of doom looking for patterns in random events. Climate prediction is no better than astrology. But like astrology there are plenty of deluded people who really want to believe in it. That does not mean it has an merit. Notice how leftists like wyly immediately respond to you with the gross term "climate change denier", as if somehow you're to be likened to Holocaust deniers. Pretty disgusting, but then the left is inherently more susceptible to group-think and takes its marching orders from charlatans like David Suzuki and Al Gore. Quote
TimG Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 western countries like Canada became wealthy on the backs of third world countries polluting freely as we did so. So what you're saying is "too f***ing bad for the poor of the the third world screw'em they can give up all hope of a lifestyle approaching ours, ever!".What a pile BS. Canada became wealthy because it created a society where businesses and entrepreneurs could succeed. All of the tools and benefits that Canada had available were available to any other country. The fact that we have seen country after country get wealthy by adopting many of the same policies proves this. So if a country is poor today it is their own fault. They, as a society, made the wrong choices. The idea that Canada or any other nation owes the developing world anything is nonsense. Quote
WWWTT Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 how about you provide a link proving otherwise and turn the entire science world on it's head...there could be a Nobel Prize in it for you... the onus is all on you... So in other words "no you can't" How about I resort to your level of debate? Would that be more to your liking? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 Notice how leftists like wyly immediately respond to you with the gross term "climate change denier", as if somehow you're to be likened to Holocaust deniers. Pretty disgusting, but then the left is inherently more susceptible to group-think and takes its marching orders from charlatans like David Suzuki and Al Gore. I am starting to agree with this comment! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 what? verify co2 is a ghg or that the sun doesn't rise in the west?... denier world has never realized the debate was never about whether or not CO2 is greenhouse gas, it's always been about how much of an increase in CO2 levels would be required for a noticeable temperature change... and are there any other known natural events that could cause the same effect...as we both know other known suspects are absent which leaves only CO2 holding the smoking gun... Still waiting for that link that tells us what that level is. You seem convinced that we are headed to this level so you must know what it is,why the big secret? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 as clearly shown above, the comment responded directly to your statement advising of, "your, ahem... debate... approach" - your pompous statement. Not much into discussing numbers are you? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 clearly, you're not a big picture guy! Calculations? Are you a numbers guy?... show us the/your calculations. Show us, anything... substantiated. Don't forget to suggest/interpret how it all fits into the... big picture, hey? I am not the one making the claim that we are destroying the Earth through the use of fossil fuels,am I? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted September 25, 2012 Report Posted September 25, 2012 how about you provide a link proving otherwise and turn the entire science world on it's head...there could be a Nobel Prize in it for you... the onus is all on you... Ahh no actually to burden of responsibility is on the one accusing! Even if it was on me,how bout giving us a freebe and telling us where you are getting your numbers that have convinced you? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
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