waldo Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 Iran is going to attack Canada? Is that what's being said here? nope... any chance of that has been undercut by the brilliant Baird/Harper Conservative move to close the embassy and expel diplomats. Nothing says fantasy war averted more like... less communication and no relationships. Quote
PIK Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) Alright, I was hoping people would understand that I meant that no nukes have been lobbed for war since Japan. Durrr. But in the end , what's one more? Let Iran have their bomb. If they use it, turn them to glass. What we are doing is convicting of a crime that they have yet, and may never commit. Maybe the tables have turned and now it's guilty until proven innocent? Is that how we do things here at home in Canada? If it is, someone better tell the people, then we are all guilty until proven innocent. That's some dangerous thinking if I ever heard it. So let wait till someone (Israel) gets vapourized, then we will do something. I can't believe someone would say that, but then................. Edited September 11, 2012 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Wild Bill Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 yes - this thread does need to be more about... the waldo! Let me refresh your deteriorating brain recall: Now I remember! It doesn't show very often but its there! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Wild Bill Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 I understand why the Tories close the embassy in Iran but what is not true is that Harper came out and said they would still take care of the Canadians in prison there. Well, how can a PM take care of its citizens in prison, when there will be no more communication bewteen countries??? It would have been better not to say anything about the prisons. Usually when a country closes its embassy it can still work through an allied embassy. In this case, likely if something must be discussed the British Embassy will lend a hand. Of course, it may not matter anyway. All this time Canada has been trying to negotiate something for these unjustly imprisoned citizens Iran has been steadfastly ignoring us. Iran is not noted for co-operating much on these things, Topaz. It's not like keeping our Embassy open was guaranteeing any hope! It's possible that the bad publicity towards Iran from closing our Embassy might actually do more good, embarrassing Iran into being "nice". Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
GostHacked Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Posted September 11, 2012 So let wait till someone (Israel) gets vapourized, then we will do something. I can't believe someone would say that, but then................. That's Israel's problem. Not ours. Canada needs to worry about Canada first. Israel took out Iraq's suspected nuclear weapons site. Israel took out Syria's suspected nuclear weapons site. See a pattern here? Quote
Argus Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 What's really interesting is how after having distrusted and mocked virtually every other single thing they said or did, any perceived pronouncements of the enemy to wipe out and obliterate us are received with even more gospel like rapture. I haven't seen a single poster on the left here express an iota of doubt that Iran is a peace loving country that wants nothing to do with nukes. All the rest of us, ie, the sane ones, are saying is that Iran is a scummy country full of wack jobs who should not be allowed to have nuclear weapons. As to whether they or the rest of the world are telling the truth, well, we know their record, and it isn't very good. We also have seen some evidence, a lot more than was ever presented about Iraq. Further, it is the UN and Europe which have been most earnest in pursuing this, not the US. So what you Lefties seem to be saying is that there's a vast conspiracy between Israel, Europe, the UN and the US (run by that evil warmonger Obama) to attack poor, peace loving Iran for no reason whatsoever. Do tell me if I've misrepresented the position here, or forgot to incorporate whatever additional loony conspiracy theories you people are operating under at the present moment. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 Every single thing I said in the post you quoted is a pretty easily verified fact. Right. Iran is the most peace loving country in the middle east, never bothers anyone. Okaaaay. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 Like I said, the very fact that, during the Iraq War, US officials expressed outrage at the "foreign interference" of Iran in Iraq is telling...and jaw-dropping, were we able to be surprised anymore. What they were complaining about was Iran supporting terrorist religious attacks within Iraq. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 How close to the line has Great Britain come, by theatening to storm the Equadorian Embassy? They never made any such threat so don't worry about it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dre Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 Right. Iran is the most peace loving country in the middle east, never bothers anyone. Okaaaay. Youre arguing with imaginary voices in your head at this point. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
cybercoma Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 States with Nukes: Signed onto the NPT China France Russia UK US Not signed onto the NPT and have nukes India Israel Pakistan States that might have nukes shortly Iran Syria North Korea http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Nuclearweaponswhohaswhat Quote
cybercoma Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 For the record... States that have used nukes against enemies United States Quote
dre Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 What they were complaining about was Iran supporting terrorist religious attacks within Iraq. There was a sectarian war in Iraq, and Iran supported Shia elements. Iraq has a fairly large shia population, and Iran has a clear and obvious interest in what happens there. You seem pretty naive about geopolitics. Iran is not the only country to support various proxies in the region. Its a garden variety middle tier regional player. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 All the rest of us, ie, the sane ones, are saying is that Iran is a scummy country full of wack jobs who should not be allowed to have nuclear weapons. Who is "all the rest of us"? You got crabs? The only people that could support your viewpoint on Iran are people that havent read anything about the country since the revolution. Even according to western intelligence, Iran is a rational actor. The regime has been pretty carefull, and pre-occupied with its own preservation. The only people that buy this silly caricature of Iran as a country thats chomping at the bit to commit suicide on behalf of the entire persian race by nuking Israel, are hardcore tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Argus Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 This is what I'm talking about. You say "nations," as though every last person in Iran is part of these actions. It makes no practical difference whether they are or aren't. It just doesn't get through to you that there are competing interests in Iran politically like everywhere else. There are savages that support the hangman and there are people that are willing to die to oppose him. Again, it makes no difference. I'm sure there were nice people in Nazi Germany who unfortunately got bombed and burned and shot to death by the allies anyway. Our business is with Iran, the political entity, and whoever and whatever supports them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 Its only the cheerleading drones that really think Iran is going to build a nuclear weapon and up and nuke Israel or anyone else. You mean like the UN, Europe, The United States? You mean Obama is just a slavering warmonger eager to start a war for no purpose? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 Do we remember the time when the USA tried to undermine the politics in Iran which created the stage for the hostage crisis? Canada was just as guilty by allowing safe passage and protecting US nationals by giving them Canadian IDs in order escape the country. So acts of terrorism were committed against Iran at that time, and whatever Iran did was in self defense in my view. I think that's a pretty warped and ignorant view. It's funny how the people who hate the west so much are eager to excuse anyone else's conduct as long as it's against the West, but the slightest misstep on the part of a Western country is without question part of an evil conspiracy designed specifically to kill people -- for fun. I don't know how people like you get created, what kind of shit gets poured into your brain to make you the way you are. It'd make an interesting science experiment. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 Not at all. I'm waiting for your declaration that Great Britain is no longer a civilized country...or is at least open to the notion of abandoning civilization. Has Britain destroyed other people's embassies? Does the British government routinely brutalize and murder young women? Does it deliberately sponsor terrorist acts against civilians, like blowing up airliners or Jewish cultural centres? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 Oh but when the US uses their embassies to spy and infiltrates various UN agencies with informants to report then thats "morally sound" Every nation on Earth does that. Only one attacks other people's embassies. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 But in the end , what's one more? Let Iran have their bomb. If they use it, turn them to glass. That'll be some kind of consolation to all the people dead, that a pile of Iranians are dead too, most of the completely innocent of wrongdoing. I wonder how you, oh Godly one, reconcile your vituperation against people willing to countenance air strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities vs your own acceptance that if the Iranian government lies we should turn the whole country 'to glass'. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 I'll even go one step further and say that if Iran has a bomb,it would actually promote peace and save lives! WWWTT Insanity runs in your family, I take it? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) Youre arguing with imaginary voices in your head at this point. You're denying saying They been one of the best behaved nation states in the middle east over the last 30 years, and theres no sign of that changing. Edited September 11, 2012 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 There was a sectarian war in Iraq, Inspired by, and using people funded by, trained by, and equipped by Iran and other foreign elements. So you're saying doing this is okay? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2012 Report Posted September 11, 2012 Who is "all the rest of us"? You got crabs?[ The sane people in the world. Ie, Europe and the US. The only people that buy this silly caricature of Iran as a country thats chomping at the bit to commit suicide on behalf of the entire persian race by nuking Israel, are hardcore tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. I'm willing to be you make no apologies for Christian religious freaks. But when it comes to Muslim ones you're nothing but an apologist. Probably because they're brown people. Iran has funneled weapons into the hands of terrorists for decades. I see nothing to indicate they wouldn't try to put fissionables into the hands of others to explode in Tel Aviv or New York or London. I'm not saying that's a certainty by any means, but it's certainly a possibility. And not one I'm willing to countenance. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Posted September 11, 2012 You're denying saying They been one of the best behaved nation states in the middle east over the last 30 years, and theres no sign of that changing. Dunno, if we look at the behavior of most of the Middle East states, I'd say Iran is on par with the rest of them. Quote
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