9/11 accused don't want hearings during Ramadan

[cybercoma]

To clarify. IF guilty as charged then they are not really real Muslims according to many in the Islamic community, Imams, Mullahs, agencies and associations, because real Muslims wouldn't ever do such a terrorist thing.

So then we should determine whether someone is a really a real Christian before we give them holidays off?

[Guest Peeves]

It's pretty simple. Christian holy days are respected by default. The least they can do is respect others' religions and holy days. You know, treat everyone equally. Unless your idea of equality is that everyone is equally allowed to be Christian.

It follows then from your argument that these terrorists are indeed Muslims even if the Muslim community (in the West) consider them not to be since no Muslim would act as they admittedly have?

Why would your opinion outweigh 'real Muslims' contention?

[kraychik]

Irrelevant.

Point is the Muslims in question are being criticized by the OP and other posters in this thread for requesting a religious consideration that is already afforded to Christians.

It's just another racist thread.

Muslims aren't a race.

[cybercoma]

It follows then from your argument that these terrorists are indeed Muslims even if the Muslim community (in the West) consider them not to be since no Muslim would act as they admittedly have?

Why would your opinion outweigh 'real Muslims' contention?

Because other people don't get to dictate your faith to you. Many people would say the Phelps family aren't "real" Christians. Does that mean they're not indeed Christians?

[Guest Peeves]

So then we should determine whether someone is a really a real Christian before we give them holidays off?

A non sequitur. Sure that makes sense ..NOT.

The courts schedule- drives the date,religion has no bearing on the date of hearing for a Christian or non denominational. It's the courts schedule.

[Guest Peeves]

Because other people don't get to dictate your faith to you. Many people would say the Phelps family aren't "real" Christians. Does that mean they're not indeed Christians?

Ok then by you, by them, they are indeed Muslims. They are following Islamic custom/law/jihad/koran....

[cybercoma]

A non sequitur. Sure that makes sense ..NOT.

The courts schedule- drives the date,religion has no bearing on the date of hearing for a Christian or non denominational. It's the courts schedule.

The court's schedule is based on the Christian calendar. It's discriminatory by default.

[Guest Peeves]

The court's schedule is based on the Christian calendar. It's discriminatory by default.

No it's not. It's tradition, custom, Canadian, Judiciary decree. There's nothing discriminatory about it at all.

Our days, months are named after several god concepts. If you can't eat in a Jewish restaurant on yom kippur is it discriminatory?

Simply because you say so doesn't make it so.

If you can't see a lawyer on Sunday is it?

If you can't go to school in July ??

The courts like the government like society runs by schedule. There are indeed some days the court is closed for varied reasons.

You're due back on earth by 3 p.m.

[cybercoma]

No it's not. It's tradition, custom, Canadian, Judiciary decree. There's nothing discriminatory about it at all.

Our days, months are named after several god concepts. If you can't eat in a Jewish restaurant on yom kippur is it discriminatory?

Simply because you say so doesn't make it so.

If you can't see a lawyer on Sunday is it?

If you can't go to school in July ??

The courts like the government like society runs by schedule. There are indeed some days the court is closed for varied reasons.

You're due back on earth by 3 p.m.

Hello? Do you even read what you're posting.

Are these Muslims asking the court to sit through Christmas or are the courts asking the Muslims to have a trial during Ramadan?

The courts discriminate against other religions because their schedules make it so that Christian holidays are observed by default. If someone from another religion wants to observe their holiday, they need to make a "special" request. That request is not so special after all, as the courts allow Christians to observe their holidays by default. Other religions are asking for the same respect.

[Guest American Woman]

There are indeed some days the court is closed for varied reasons.

Yep. That's true. And the fact that the courts aren't closed in honor of every religious holy day, every political activist, every civil rights leader, et al proves just how discriminatory our court system, our country, is. Fact is, we should all have every day off with pay because surely there is someone, some religious holy day, to be honored. For example, I personally object to the courts being closed to honor Martin Luther King but not to honor Susan B. Anthony. Obviously the court system - our country - consists of sexist pigs.

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Again, no objections were raised when the dates for the court hearing were originally set. I suppose Ramadan just snuck up on them this year - they had no idea it was going to be taking place during the dates set for the hearing. Which, at any rate, has nothing to do with your original point....

[cybercoma]

Yep. That's true. And the fact that the courts aren't closed in honor of every religious holy day, every political activist, every civil rights leader, et al proves just how discriminatory our court system, our country, is. Fact is, we should all have every day off with pay because surely there is someone, some religious holy day, to be honored.

Or you could be reasonably accommodating to the few people that wish to observe their own religious holidays and ceremonies, just as Christians are allowed to observe theirs, rather than closing everything for every holiday of every religion.

[DogOnPorch]

Or you could be reasonably accommodating to the few people that wish to observe their own religious holidays and ceremonies, just as Christians are allowed to observe theirs, rather than closing everything for every holiday of every religion.

Or throw the MFs into solitary for the month...there we go...see you in 30 days.

[Guest American Woman]

Or throw the MFs into solitary for the month...there we go...see you in 30 days.

That would work, eh?

I have to wonder whose beliefs we are supposed to be being considerate of - moderate Muslims or the accused terrorists,' because I can't imagine moderate Muslims being upset because the hearings for these terrorist Muslims infringe upon their religious beliefs, being that their religious beliefs dictate that Muhammad wants them to murder as many westerners as possible.

[DogOnPorch]

That would work, eh?

I have to wonder whose beliefs we are supposed to be being considerate of - moderate Muslims or the accused terrorists,' because I can't imagine moderate Muslims being upset because the hearings for these terrorist Muslims infringe upon their religious beliefs, being that their religious beliefs dictate that Muhammad wants them to murder as many westerners as possible.

Well, Islam IS the Religion of Peace. So, Muslims should be taking to the streets at any moment in support of treating these thugs as criminals rather than dirtying the image of Islam.

Right?

[cybercoma]

It's amazing how quick some people are to trample on people's rights in the name of justice.

[Guest American Woman]

Well, Islam IS the Religion of Peace. So, Muslims should be taking to the streets at any moment in support of treating these thugs as criminals rather than dirtying the image of Islam.

Right?

The thing is, I haven't heard any objections from the Muslim world over the hearing dates; just from the accused and their legal team.

Edited July 13, 2012 by American Woman

[DogOnPorch]

It's amazing how quick some people are to trample on people's rights in the name of justice.

It's amazing how gulible some folks are to jailhouse pranks.

[jacee]

Islam is a religion and a political ideology...not a race. Should Islam be protected from all forms of criticism?

I'm talking about THIS bogus criticism.

And other bogus criticisms used to create the plethora of anti-Muslim threads on mlw.

[DogOnPorch]

I'm talking about THIS bogus criticism.

And other bogus criticisms used to create the plethora of anti-Muslim threads on mlw.

I don't start threads the threads...just finish 'em off. So...should Islam be free from critcism? Do you agree it is not a race?

[jacee]

Well, Islam IS the Religion of Peace. So, Muslims should be taking to the streets at any moment in support of treating these thugs as criminals rather than dirtying the image of Islam.

Right?

Just as soon as Catholics take to the streets to denounce priest sexual predators as criminals.

Right?

[capricorn]

Are these Muslims asking the court to sit through Christmas

That might just be their next demand.

[Guest American Woman]

That might just be their next demand.

Or perhaps they'll demand that they not be incarcerated during Ramadan - and there will be those who will say it's in violation of their rights to do so.

[Guest American Woman]

I'm talking about THIS bogus criticism.

And other bogus criticisms used to create the plethora of anti-Muslim threads on mlw.

Yeah, the criticism is so bogus because of course it's a well known fact that Christians don't have court dates during Lent - and of course it's "anti-Muslim," not 'anti terrorists who are responsible for thousands of deaths.'

[cybercoma]

Or perhaps they'll demand that they not be incarcerated during Ramadan - and there will be those who will say it's in violation of their rights to do so.

Or perhaps you can stop with the hyperbole and slippery-slope nonsense sometime soon.

Edited July 13, 2012 by cybercoma

[cybercoma]

Yeah, the criticism is so bogus because of course it's a well known fact that Christians don't have court dates during Lent - and of course it's "anti-Muslim," not 'anti terrorists who are responsible for thousands of deaths.'

They don't have court dates from Good Friday through Easter Monday that's for sure. They also don't have court dates through Christmas either.