bleeding heart Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 (edited) ^Doesn't this just show that they are pro free-market and western? Yes...and that, like I said, and tried (whether well or not is up to you) to briefly demonstrate...this tends to lead quite naturally to preferring the right over the left. Which is fine, of course. But that's the original claim, with which I think you disagreed. Edited July 7, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Wilber Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 Depends on the Canadian, of course. You're absolutely right for the most part. Harper has had no qualms about telling Europeans the error of their ways so maybe this is just a little comeback. On the other hand, ignore criticism at your peril because it is not always miss directed. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
kraychik Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 Harper has had no qualms about telling Europeans the error of their ways so maybe this is just a little comeback. On the other hand, ignore criticism at your peril because it is not always miss directed. Harper's in a much better position to be discussing the flaws of socialist economic policies in Europe than some "journalist" from The Economist opining on the sensitivities of the Canadian electorate. Wouldn't you agree? Quote
Wilber Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 Harper's in a much better position to be discussing the flaws of socialist economic policies in Europe than some "journalist" from The Economist opining on the sensitivities of the Canadian electorate. Wouldn't you agree? Perhaps it would be more constructive to concentrate on the criticism than the source. Few on this forum would call me a spokesman for the left but I happen to agree with much of it. Civil libertarians who oppose giving police easier access to internet users’ browsing histories were branded by Conservatives as supporters of child pornographers. They condemned greens worried about the development of Alberta’s tar sands as radicals laundering foreign money; This is exactly what the Conservatives have done. You can't disagree with them without being branded as some sort of radical or a supporter of perverts. Your approach to this topic isn't much different. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
kraychik Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 Perhaps it would be more constructive to concentrate on the criticism than the source. Few on this forum would call me a spokesman for the left but I happen to agree with much of it. There is absolutely no substance to the article in the OP. Quote
j44 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 Yes...and that, like I said, and tried (whether well or not is up to you) to briefly demonstrate...this tends to lead quite naturally to preferring the right over the left. Which is fine, of course. But that's the original claim, with which I think you disagreed. In my opinion, you only demonstrated that a free market western magazine disagrees with an anti-west socialist. Quote
August1991 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 (edited) There's your money quote, Sherlock... The Economist, a mostly right-leaning British weekly... Over the years, The Economist has developed a left-leaning audience in North America and knowing its readership, it caters to them. Once upon a time, The Economist was a good news/business/finance weekly. Then, its writers/editors discovered a world market and started to play on its 100 year reputation. IMHO, the cross over line was when it limited its letters to the editor to a single page; a page that is increasingly filled with press releases from government institutions. Nowadays, The Economist is as predictable and glib as Pravda once was. Edited July 7, 2012 by August1991 Quote
kraychik Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 There's your money quote, Sherlock... Over the years, The Economist has developed a left-leaning audience in North America and knowing its readership, it caters to them. Exactly. It's almost all fluff-pieces masquerading as serious analysis. It's like Time Magazine or Newsweek with a bigger vocabulary. Quote
Wilber Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 Exactly. It's almost all fluff-pieces masquerading as serious analysis. It's like Time Magazine or Newsweek with a bigger vocabulary. Yup, shoot the messenger. Much easier than listening to the message. Good plan. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
jacee Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 Sounds like regular politics to me. Kinda like when the NDP accuse Conservatives of wanting to poison the air and water, or hating the poor when they don't support NDP environment or social assistance policy. Btw, regarding intolerance of criticism and dissent, does the NDP tolerate members that don't believe in gay marriage? The NDP believes that if you don't believe in gay marriage, then you are free to not be in one.Other than that, it's none of your damned business. Quote
kraychik Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 Yup, shoot the messenger. Much easier than listening to the message. Good plan. There's no substance to the message of Harper being a "bully", and it playing into the hands of the Canadian left. It's jut another in a long list of fluff-pieces from The Economist. Quote
socialist Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 There's no substance to the message of Harper being a "bully", and it playing into the hands of the Canadian left. It's jut another in a long list of fluff-pieces from The Economist. if a right wing publication like the economist is slamming harper then you know there is a problem with the CPC who continue to erode deocracy. i dont even recognize democracy in canada anymore. 1. census scandal 2. afghan detainees scandal 3. prorogation scandal 4. helena guergis scandal 5. g20 scandal 6. fake lake scandal 7. robocalls scandal 8. contempt of parliament scandal this current government is on its last legs. after 2015 the CPC will be decimated and canada will enjoy decades of left wing rule. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
jacee Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 There is no "bullying" from Harper going on. Quote
bleeding heart Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 In my opinion, you only demonstrated that a free market western magazine disagrees with an anti-west socialist. I demonstrated that a free market western magazine disagrees with an anti-west socialist for exactly the same issues (human rights abuses) for which it does not take issue with a pro-western capitalist. My entire point. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bleeding heart Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 There's your money quote, Sherlock... Over the years, The Economist has developed a left-leaning audience in North America and knowing its readership, it caters to them. Once upon a time, The Economist was a good news/business/finance weekly. Then, its writers/editors discovered a world market and started to play on its 100 year reputation. IMHO, the cross over line was when it limited its letters to the editor to a single page; a page that is increasingly filled with press releases from government institutions. Nowadays, The Economist is as predictable and glib as Pravda once was. You've got some substantial evidence to back up your declarative sentences, I assume. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
j44 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 I demonstrated that a free market western magazine disagrees with an anti-west socialist for exactly the same issues (human rights abuses) for which it does not take issue with a pro-western capitalist. My entire point. You gave one example. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 Sounds like regular politics to me. Kinda like when the NDP accuse Conservatives of wanting to poison the air and water, or hating the poor when they don't support NDP environment or social assistance policy. Btw, regarding intolerance of criticism and dissent, does the NDP tolerate members that don't believe in gay marriage? There's absolutely no reason to support intolerance. Quote
bleeding heart Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 You gave one example. Yes...I already somewhat implied that my example was not a game-stopper. It's one half-assed example more than you've given for your opinion on the magazine, however. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
j44 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 Yes...I already somewhat implied that my example was not a game-stopper. It's one half-assed example more than you've given for your opinion on the magazine, however. If that is your case I don't see a reason to go on. Quote
capricorn Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 i dont even recognize democracy in canada anymore. IMO, in reading your posts you appear to be too young to have known Canada other than how it is today. I think what you meant to say is "according to Rabble and other far left forums, democracy is dead in Canada and I support that opinion". Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
bleeding heart Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 If that is your case I don't see a reason to go on. : No doubt you're right. Peace. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bleeding heart Posted July 7, 2012 Report Posted July 7, 2012 IMO, in reading your posts you appear to be too young to have known Canada other than how it is today. I think what you meant to say is "according to Rabble and other far left forums, democracy is dead in Canada and I support that opinion". I think you've about nailed it. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
na85 Posted July 8, 2012 Report Posted July 8, 2012 IMO, in reading your posts you appear to be too young to have known Canada other than how it is today. I think what you meant to say is "according to Rabble and other far left forums, democracy is dead in Canada and I support that opinion". I think you've about nailed it. Yes, let's marginalize the kid's opinions because of his or her age, something s/he has no control over. Quote
socialist Posted July 8, 2012 Report Posted July 8, 2012 Yes, let's marginalize the kid's opinions because of his or her age, something s/he has no control over. exactly. probably entitled baby boomers these people are. boomers are the ones responsible for destroying the environment. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
capricorn Posted July 8, 2012 Report Posted July 8, 2012 probably entitled baby boomers these people are. I am extremely grateful to Pierre Elliot Trudeau for having started the trend of enriched entitlements. I am one of his benefactors and happily, I am unaffected by current Conservative restraint measures. Life is good. boomers are the ones responsible for destroying the environment. And a good thing too. Otherwise, you would have to find something else to save rather than the environment. Of course, there are always the polar bears or baby seals. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
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