Strippers to be stripped of their work visas

Anti-Am · June 12, 2012

So basically the government is making it illegal for foreign strippers to get legal visas just to put would be innocent people in prison.

That's what CPCFTW esentially said.

Why is the government waging war against women?

Can you prove these murderous traffickers are the ones right now legally bringing these women in the country?

Where are the stats?

Anti-Am · June 12, 2012

Its going to be funny when prostitution is legalized by the supreme court

and the moral police go ape shit.

Signals.Cpl · June 12, 2012

So basically the government is making it illegal for foreign strippers to get legal visas just to put would be innocent people in prison.

That's what CPCFTW esentially said.

In what world did he say that?

Why is the government waging war against women?

Are you serious?

Can you prove these murderous traffickers are the ones right now legally bringing these women in the country?
Where are the stats?

So you are saying that putting women in to a situation where they are isolated from family and friends, have no documentation since it could have been confiscated by the employer, mistrust the police due to mistrust of police from home country, have little legal recourse... I can't believe you are truly serious...

Signals.Cpl · June 12, 2012

Its going to be funny when prostitution is legalized by the supreme court

and the moral police go ape shit.

If prostitution is legal, and a women CHOSES to go and be a hooker I have no issue with that, my problem stems from the issue of women being FORCED in to prostitution. Morals do not factor in to this decision by the government, its a logical issue rather then a war on women or strippers... if Canadian Women are being exploited why on earth would we want to import much more vulnerable women in to the country in order to see them exploited as well? If the criminals have to smuggle women illegally then they do so and we fight that battle when it comes, but no reason for us to open the door for them to bring and exploit innocent women in Canada.

Edited June 12, 2012 by Signals.Cpl

Anti-Am · June 12, 2012

You show me stats concerning how many foreign women are forced to come to Canada on legal visas

then you can make a judgement on this

Otherwise you are just another old white man who thinks he can control what women can or can't do.

Edited June 12, 2012 by Anti-Am

Signals.Cpl · June 12, 2012

You show me stats concerning how many foreign women are forced to come to Canada on legal visas

then you can make a judgement on this

No one is saying they are FORCED to come TO Canada, many are FORCED to do things other then being an exotic dancer.

Signals.Cpl · June 12, 2012

Otherwise you are just another old white man who thinks he can control what women can or can't do.

And you are a little child who lacks common sense.

Anti-Am · June 12, 2012

No one is saying they are FORCED to come TO Canada, many are FORCED to do things other then being an exotic dancer.

If you have no proof, stats, you have no leg to stand on. You can't change policies like this without facts.

Cold hard statistics.

Anti-Am · June 12, 2012

And you are a little child who lacks common sense.

Common sense does not exist. What is common "sense" for one person might not be for another.

dre · June 12, 2012

This is really too bad, because coming to work in Canada is probably the best thing that could happen to these women. Their fate will likely be much worse wherever else they go, as will the level of exploitation.

Sad that these idiots would do this under the false pretense of helping these women. They are doing the exact opposite.

Signals.Cpl · June 12, 2012

If you have no proof, stats, you have no leg to stand on. You can't change policies like this without facts.

Cold hard statistics.

You do realize since most of this is done illegally, and the victims are afraid of the police and/or the abuser they don't really come forward? In your little world we should ignore and obvious issue like putting vulnerable women in even more vulnerable positions.

If you cannot see that paying for a women to come from a nation much different then Canada, in order to work as a stripper in a country where she does not have any family or friends, where she might have her documentation taken away by her abusers, and with a distrust of police officers depending on the home country would make any person vulnerable but 18-24 year old even more so.

Anti-Am · June 12, 2012

You do realize since most of this is done illegally, and the victims are afraid of the police and/or the abuser they don't really come forward? In your little world we should ignore and obvious issue like putting vulnerable women in even more vulnerable positions.

If you cannot see that paying for a women to come from a nation much different then Canada, in order to work as a stripper in a country where she does not have any family or friends, where she might have her documentation taken away by her abusers, and with a distrust of police officers depending on the home country would make any person vulnerable but 18-24 year old even more so.

You can't legislate on assumptions.

Signals.Cpl · June 12, 2012

This is really too bad, because coming to work in Canada is probably the best thing that could happen to these women. Their fate will likely be much worse wherever else they go, as will the level of exploitation.

Sad that these idiots would do this under the false pretense of helping these women. They are doing the exact opposite.

Yes coming to Canada in order to be forced in to prostitution MUST be better then being close to family and friends and having your freedom. So just because they might be exploited somewhere might as well get them to Canada to exploit them here? What kind of logic is that?

Signals.Cpl · June 12, 2012

You can't legislate on assumptions.

Sure you can, when it is concerning common sense sure you can. Maybe not you but the rest of us can.

dre · June 12, 2012

Yes coming to Canada in order to be forced in to prostitution MUST be better then being close to family and friends and having your freedom. So just because they might be exploited somewhere might as well get them to Canada to exploit them here? What kind of logic is that?

Its your logic that needs work. Youre assuming the exploitation wont happen if they dont come here. Contratulations... these women will end up in Thailand or some other sexploitation hellhole instead of coming to Canada where they would actually have their best chance to find something else to do.

If you dont want strippers to come here fine, but for god sakes dont pretend this is about helping these women. Its doing the exact opposite. If you want to help them, then let them come here, and make sure the adult entertainment industry is as safe and well regulated as possible.

Good grief.

dre · June 12, 2012

You can't legislate on assumptions.

Especially not ridiculous assumptions like expecting that these women will be have a better fate if they go elsewhere. This is absolutely ass backwards.

Its just an example of pushing this kind of thing into the shadows... and that policy has been an abject failure all over the world and its destroyed womens lives.

Anti-Am · June 12, 2012

Sure you can, when it is concerning common sense sure you can. Maybe not you but the rest of us can.

You are making your so called "victims" the criminals here.

I know a girl who rode a motorcycle with sandals.. its "common sense" that bikers wear boots to protect themselves from burns and from losing control of the bike and spilling.

To her though that was not "common sense".

Common sense does not exist man because everyone thinks differently.

Anti-Am · June 12, 2012

If you dont want strippers to come here fine, but for god sakes dont pretend this is about helping these women. Its doing the exact opposite. If you want to help them, then let them come here, and make sure the adult entertainment industry is as safe and well regulated as possible.

Good grief.

I agree. That was said well.

dre · June 12, 2012

You are making your so called "victims" the criminals here.

I know a girl who rode a motorcycle with sandals.. its "common sense" that bikers wear boots to protect themselves from burns and from losing control of the bike and spilling.

To her though that was not "common sense".

Common sense does not exist man because everyone thinks differently.

Hes confusing common sense with "conventional wisdom". The conventional wisdom suggests that we should place barriers to prevent things like prostitution from happening. Its an understandable and moral position. The problem is that in reality its been an abject failure, and has put women at far greater risk. If you want them to be safe you bring them out of the shadows... make it so that normal regulated tax paying business people are running these businesses or the women themselves, and make sure they operate in safe conditions.

Istead by pushing the sex industry into the black market we have created the most dangerous working environment for these women as possible, and an environment where they are actually afraid to even call the police if they are raped or beaten.

What we REALLY have here is people using the plight of these women as a false pretense for pushing their own subjective moral adgenda.

Anti-Am · June 12, 2012

Hes confusing common sense with "conventional wisdom". The conventional wisdom suggests that we should place barriers to prevent things like prostitution from happening. Its an understandable and moral position. The problem is that in reality its been an abject failure, and has put women at far greater risk. If you want them to be safe you bring them out of the shadows... make it so that normal regulated tax paying business people are running these businesses or the women themselves, and make sure they operate in safe conditions.

Istead by pushing the sex industry into the black market we have created the most dangerous working environment for these women as possible, and an environment where they are actually afraid to even call the police if they are raped or beaten.

What we REALLY have here is people using the plight of these women as a false pretense for pushing their own subjective moral adgenda.

Yes, and thanks to religion, most of the world thinks that way. People are incapable of critical thinking

and it makes for a dangerous world for our most vulnerable.

Signals.Cpl · June 12, 2012

Its your logic that needs work. Youre assuming the exploitation wont happen if they dont come here. Contratulations... these women will end up in Thailand or some other sexploitation hellhole instead of coming to Canada where they would actually have their best chance to find something else to do.

If you dont want strippers to come here fine, but for god sakes dont pretend this is about helping these women. Its doing the exact opposite. If you want to help them, then let them come here, and make sure the adult entertainment industry is as safe and well regulated as possible.

Good grief.

This is really too bad, because coming to work in Canada is probably the best thing that could happen to these women. Their fate will likely be much worse wherever else they go, as will the level of exploitation.

Sad that these idiots would do this under the false pretense of helping these women. They are doing the exact opposite.

So you logic is someone else will exploit them, why not let Canadians exploit them?

To me its simple, someone looking to make money travels to a country like Albania, a young women working in a job in that country would make 300-700 dollars a month, but someone goes and tells her that she could make 10X times that if she comes to Canada as a striper, now as soon as she lands and gets through customs the "sponsor" collects her passport and identification, takes away all of her money and drives her to his place of business. This women is now for all intents and purposes a slave, as she does not know anyone in Canada, has no family nearby, has no money or documentation nor does she trust the police. What kind of position is that?

Its fine by me if you don't care if women are forced in to prostitution, but to me it has to be a free choice, if you are drawn to the money and you wanna sell yourself fine by me, but if someone is forcing you to do so in any way, shape or form that is wrong to me. This is not a war on women, nor is it a moral crusade against stripers, what this represents is a move to prevent bringing highly vulnerable people in to the country where they have virtually no rights and are treated as slaves.

Signals.Cpl · June 12, 2012

Especially not ridiculous assumptions like expecting that these women will be have a better fate if they go elsewhere. This is absolutely ass backwards.

Its just an example of pushing this kind of thing into the shadows... and that policy has been an abject failure all over the world and its destroyed womens lives.

It was an assumption on your part that they will be worse of if they went somewhere else. Seems that you logic was since they will be exploited one way or another might as well do it in Canada.

Signals.Cpl · June 12, 2012

You are making your so called "victims" the criminals here.

I know a girl who rode a motorcycle with sandals.. its "common sense" that bikers wear boots to protect themselves from burns and from losing control of the bike and spilling.

To her though that was not "common sense".

Common sense does not exist man because everyone thinks differently.

Well, then that girl much like you lacks common sense. Plain and simple...

Signals.Cpl · June 12, 2012

Hes confusing common sense with "conventional wisdom". The conventional wisdom suggests that we should place barriers to prevent things like prostitution from happening. Its an understandable and moral position. The problem is that in reality its been an abject failure, and has put women at far greater risk.

Nope, not confusing anything, if you want to be a hooker or a stripper power to you, its none of my business, but to me, the problem arises when someone is brought in to this country, put into an impossible situation and forced in to effectively being a slave.

If you want them to be safe you bring them out of the shadows... make it so that normal regulated tax paying business people are running these businesses or the women themselves, and make sure they operate in safe conditions.

They are regulated in strip clubs, but how do you intent to make this industry safer for the workers? Its a nice proposal but not so easy to implement.

Istead by pushing the sex industry into the black market we have created the most dangerous working environment for these women as possible, and an environment where they are actually afraid to even call the police if they are raped or beaten.

How would you make it safe? Stripeprs already work in strip clubs, the illegal stuff is already happening on the down low, good luck regulating that.