Carrie Underwood supports gay marriage.

[Guest American Woman]

I didn't realize that making negative statements about the president only counted if it's at a (concert) event.

You were the one who said "I didn't see many emotional responses among the same crowd," so I would assume you meant country music lovers. Lots of negative comments were made about Bush during that time - did that escape you? This was a specific incident that stood out because of the circumstances. Unless you truly believe the country music crowd got similarly upset ever time there was an anti-Bush rally - which I would appreciate evidence of.

I noticed you had no comments regarding emotions in 2003 vs 5-9 years later..... Do you think emotions may have been a little higher right at the start of the Iraq war/18 months after 9-11?

[BubberMiley]

I noticed you had no comments regarding emotions in 2003 vs 5-9 years later..... Do you think emotions may have been a little higher right at the start of the Iraq war/18 months after 9-11?

I noticed that the people who were burning the Dixie Chicks in effigy for saying they were ashamed George Bush came from the same state as them were not burning Hank Williams Jr. in effigy when he compared Obama to Hitler and called him "the enemy."

I guess you might consider it relevant that people were more "emotional" about the war when it was still new, but I imagine the families of the people dying in combat in 2009 were still somewhat emotional.

Edited June 11, 2012 by BubberMiley

[Guest American Woman]

I noticed that the people who were burning the Dixie Chicks in effigy for saying they were ashamed George Bush came from the same state as them were not burning Hank Williams Jr. in effigy when he compared Obama to Hitler...etc.

I guess you might consider it relevant that people were more "emotional" about the war when it was still new, but I imagine the families of the people dying in combat in 2009 were still somewhat emotional.

Yes, one "might consider it relevant" that the people you were referring to were more "emotional" - period - about the war when it was just starting and only 18 months had passed since 9-11. The reaction of the families of people dying in combat wasn't the issue, was it? That's not who you made your comment about. I'll quote you again: "I didn't see many emotional responses among the same crowd"

Edited June 11, 2012 by American Woman

[Anti-Am]

Americans were brainwashed by the media into thinking 9/11 happened cause the hijackers were jealous of the Americans way of life.

In reality it was motivated by revenge and hatred for years of American intervention in their countries which Americans knew nothing of because history class didn't cover the truth.

Edited June 11, 2012 by Anti-Am

[guyser]

Really. That's what you got out of her statement? - That she's not critical of him politically, but she just happens to be ashamed that he's from Texas. If he were only from some other state, she'd have been fine with him. That's how you take her words?

One could read all sorts of things into her words , but the fact is she never said anything about Bush except how ashamed she was he was from Texas.

ETA: She said those words in 2003, at the same time the Brits were not on board with a war. Shortly after the tide turned over there.

Edited June 11, 2012 by guyser

[guyser]

Americans were brainwashed by the media into thinking 9/11 happened cause the hijackers were jealous of the Americans way of life.

In reality it was motivated by revenge and hatred for years of American intervention in their countries which Americans knew nothing of because history class didn't cover the truth.

Oh no you dint!

[Guest American Woman]

Americans were brainwashed by the media into thinking 9/11 happened cause the hijackers were jealous of the Americans way of life.

In reality it was motivated by revenge and hatred for years of American intervention in their countries which Americans knew nothing of because history class didn't cover the truth.

Really, "Anti-Am?" Is that what Americans were "brainwashed to think?" Good to know what I, as an American, thought - and why; and good, as well, to hear what our history classes do and do not cover. It's always helpful to get such knowledge from a foreigner. So. What about the British? What were they "brainwashed" to think?

Broadcast: 03/04/2003

British public opinion shifts to support Iraq war

Nearly a fortnight into the war against Iraq and Britain is undergoing a dramatic turnaround in public opinion. In the days of the pre-war diplomatic wrangling in the United Nations Security Council, the clear majority of Britons were opposed to the war. But that has all changed with British troops now well and truly committed to battle.

link

Notice that the date of my link is March 4, 2003 - and the Dixie Chick's comment in question was made on March 10, 2003.

[BubberMiley]

Yes, one "might consider it relevant" that the people you were referring to were more "emotional" - period - about the war when it was just starting and only 18 months had passed since 9-11. The reaction of the families of people dying in combat wasn't the issue, was it? That's not who you made your comment about. I'll quote you again: "I didn't see many emotional responses among the same crowd"

I think we can agree to disagree that it is hypocritical to get up-in-arms about someone disrespecting a president during wartime because they said they are ashamed he comes from their state, and then ignore someone disrespecting a president during wartime because they said he is like Hitler and the enemy.

[Anti-Am]

I think we can agree to disagree that it is hypocritical to get up-in-arms about someone disrespecting a president during wartime because they said they are ashamed he comes from their state, and then ignore someone disrespecting a president during wartime because they said he is like Hitler and the enemy.

Werent republicans criticizing Obama after he allegedly killed Osama Bin Laden?

[Guest American Woman]

I think we can agree to disagree that it is hypocritical to get up-in-arms about someone disrespecting a president during wartime because they said they are ashamed he comes from their state, and then ignore someone disrespecting a president during wartime because they said he is like Hitler and the enemy.

And if the timing were the same, if emotions were the same, ie: if there weren't other litigating factors - you'd have a point.

[Anti-Am]

Really, "Anti-Am?" Is that what Americans were "brainwashed to think?" Good to know what I, as an American, thought - and why; and good, as well, to hear what our history classes do and do not cover. It's always helpful to get such knowledge from a foreigner. So. What about the British? What were they "brainwashed" to think?

Notice that the date of my link is March 4, 2003 - and the Dixie Chick's comment in question was made on March 10, 2003.

Just stating the obvious. See, outsiders see the situation from all angles. You were too close to the situation that you could only see one side.

Brits are dumb by the way.

[bleeding heart]

And if the timing were the same, if emotions were the same, ie: if there weren't other litigating factors - you'd have a point.

There were no litigating factors that I'm aware of.

[Guest American Woman]

Just stating the obvious. See, outsiders see the situation from all angles.

Right. Outsiders see what's happening inside.

You were too close to the situation that you could only see one side.

You have no clue as to what I saw.

Brits are dumb by the way.

Thanks again for telling me what I need to know about you..... first and foremost, that responding to you is a waste of time. Toodles!

[BubberMiley]

And if the timing were the same, if emotions were the same, ie: if there weren't other litigating factors - you'd have a point.

What you consider "emotions," I consider hysteria.

And even if there were litigating factors, there were no mitigating factors.

[Guest American Woman]

What you consider "emotions," I consider hysteria.

And even if there were litigating factors, there were no mitigating factors.

Can't address the actual reality of the situation, eh? Why am I not surprised?

[BubberMiley]

Can't address the actual reality of the situation, eh? Why am I not surprised?

What are you talking about?

[Guest American Woman]

What are you talking about?

Once more. Read slowly, if necessary - repeating as often as necessary:

The timing wasn't the same, the emotions weren't the same - with the "same group of people" that you referred to; that it would only be hypocritical if the circumstances were all the same.

Were you truly unable to get that? If so, I'm truly sorry for you.

[BubberMiley]

The timing wasn't the same, the emotions weren't the same - with the "same group of people" that you referred to; that it would only be hypocritical if the circumstances were all the same.

Were you truly unable to get that? If so, I'm truly sorry for you.

No, I got it. Then I said we would have to agree to disagree, because I don't think the "litigating" factors make any difference. I think they're hypocrites; you don't (for reasons I can guess, but for fear of a long-winded diatribe will keep to myself).

[Guest American Woman]

No, I got it. Then I said we would have to agree to disagree, because I don't think the "litigating" factors make any difference. I think they're hypocrites; you don't (for reasons I can guess, but for fear of a long-winded diatribe will keep to myself).

I explained WHY there weren't hypocrites - which you chose to ignore. For obvious reasons.

Do have a great day - as you don't let reality get in your way.

[BubberMiley]

I explained WHY there weren't hypocrites - which you chose to ignore. For obvious reasons.

I read your explanation WHY and disagreed with it because I don't see a significant reason why people would be more sensitive in early war than later war. Then, as usual, you had a little tantrum because I don't agree with you and went on about how you feel sorry for me for not understanding your point of view.

[Guest American Woman]

I read your explanation WHY and disagreed with it because I don't see a significant reason why people would be more sensitive in early war than later war.

Um, yes, you did - you even then changed it to the family members of those dying in the war - which is quite different from the country music crowd you clearly, specifically originally referred to.*

Then, as usual, you had a little tantrum because I don't agree with you and went on about how you feel sorry for me for not understanding your point of view.

Dramatic much? You might want to take a look in the mirror ....

Now I'll say to you what I said to Anti-Am .... toodles!

*But, uh, yeah, they are a bunch of hypocrites for not reacting the same under different circumstances.

Edited June 11, 2012 by American Woman

[BubberMiley]

*But, uh, yeah, they are a bunch of hypocrites for not reacting the same under different circumstances.

I do agree, however, that they were very different circumstances. Hank Jr's language was much, much worse.

[Guest American Woman]

I do agree, however, that they were very different circumstances. Hank Jr's language was much, much worse.

Yes, that's all that was different - because emotions regarding 9-11 should still be as strong today as they were 18 months after the attack - and no matter how long a war goes on, people should be just as supportive of their government as they were in the beginning. That should never change.

Good to know.

[BubberMiley]

Yes, that's all that was different - because emotions regarding 9-11 should still be as strong today as they were 18 months after the attack - and no matter how long a war goes on, people should be just as supportive of their government as they were in the beginning. That should never change.

Good to know.

Yes. So long as you still have soldiers dying for the cause, I think it should still garner comparable emotion, no matter how long it goes on or how disassociated you are from it.

[Guest American Woman]

Yes. So long as you still have soldiers dying for the cause, I think it should still garner comparable emotion, no matter how long it goes on or how disassociated you are from it.

And of course that emotion should include the same level of support for the government; regardless of how long the war has gone on, regardless of the direction the war has taken.

Like I said, good to know.