Murderer kills 90 injures 200 more

[DogOnPorch]

Suicide bombings overall are quite helpful to the Palestinians' cause. There creativity in inventing the suicide bomb is one of the reasons for my admiration of the Palestinians.

I like how they get the kids involved.

[Guest Peeves]

Suicide bombings overall are quite helpful to the Palestinians' cause. There creativity in inventing the suicide bomb is one of the reasons for my admiration of the Palestinians.

They didn't invent the suicide bomb.

And there is nothing much I admire about terrorist tactic against civilian targets whether it's a suicide murderer or 10,000 rockets fired at civilian targets when you say you want peace.

[Signals.Cpl]

The US hired locals to go after Bin Laden. My guess is they took the money, got some more from BL to not find him.

Well I would assume that they also went after him. I think the US Special Forces spend a lot of looking for him and his close associates.

[Signals.Cpl]

Afghanistan was once a garden. Girls wore miniskirts and listened to the Beatles.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/05/27/once_upon_a_time_in_afghanistan#0

And hopefully over the next 10-20 years we can see them granting more freedom to women.

[Canuckistani]

Well I would assume that they also went after him. I think the US Special Forces spend a lot of looking for him and his close associates.

I Googled this after your post. Just look up Tora Bora Bin Laden. The US committed far too few resources and left it mostly to the locals to do the fighting. The Taliban negotiated a truce with the locals to allow some of them to flee, then resumed fighting. If the US was serious about getting BL, I would have assumed they would go in full force themselves. Better to have Bin Laden to kick around and scare the rubes for a few more years I guess. I always figured Bush had BL stashed somewhere and would pull him out for an "October surprise."

Edited May 24, 2012 by Canuckistani

[Signals.Cpl]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/25/world/asia/pakistan-says-us-drone-strike-kills-suspected-militants.html

I don't see anything there about these guys firing on a Afghan army patrol. Got a link perhaps?

That is very misleading, you are referring to an article about a drone strike in which there is a reference to an attack where 24 Pakistani soldiers died.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/afghans-say-unit-was-attacked-before-airstrike/2011/11/28/gIQAX6ZY5N_story.html?hpid=z1

Both sides said they believed they were attacking insurgents along the border Saturday when the strike was launched. A senior Pakistani defense official acknowledged that Pakistani troops fired first, sending a flare, followed by mortar and machine-gun fire, toward what he said was “suspicious activity” in the brush-covered area below their high-altitude outpost barely 500 yards from the border.

If the Pakistani soldiers were attacking the US-Afghan unit believing them to be Taliban, the US-Afghan unit had every right to request air support in order to defend themselves.

[Signals.Cpl]

Suicide bombings overall are quite helpful to the Palestinians' cause. There creativity in inventing the suicide bomb is one of the reasons for my admiration of the Palestinians.

1) It was not helpful at all, it just pissed off the Israelis

2)Suicide bombers is not Palestinian invention. We can Argue that Kamikaze came before the palestinian suicide bomber wouldn't you agree?

3)Admiring the palestinians because of Suicide bombers? That is sick.

[Canuckistani]

Suicide bombing was invented by the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam.

[Signals.Cpl]

I Googled this after your post. Just look up Tora Bora Bin Laden. The US committed far too few resources and left it mostly to the locals to do the fighting. The Taliban negotiated a truce with the locals to allow some of them to flee, then resumed fighting. If the US was serious about getting BL, I would have assumed they would go in full force themselves. Better to have Bin Laden to kick around and scare the rubes for a few more years I guess. I always figured Bush had BL stashed somewhere and would pull him out for an "October surprise."

There are limits to what the US could and could not do. While they were searching for Bin Laden they were also occupying the country. Its Hard to support a large force in an environment like that without the proper infrastructure.

[DogOnPorch]

Suicide bombing was invented by the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam.

Hardly. The Japanese during the later parts of WW2 used to pull the pins on a bag of grenades and then run at Allied positions. Even in the heady days of 1942, the Japs could be counted upon to conduct Banzi charges if the situation warrented it. Guadalcanal for example.

[Canuckistani]

There are limits to what the US could and could not do. While they were searching for Bin Laden they were also occupying the country. Its Hard to support a large force in an environment like that without the proper infrastructure.

Why did they have to occupy the whole country if they were only after BL and Al Qaeda? They did have a large force in the country, just didn't use it properly. During my Googling I found comments by American commanders saying just that.

[Canuckistani]

Hardly. The Japanese during the later parts of WW2 used to pull the pins on a bag of grenades and then run at Allied positions. Even in the heady days of 1942, the Japs could be counted upon to conduct Banzi charges if the situation warrented it. Guadalcanal for example.

Guess we're both wrong:

A group of suicide squads were used by the Indian Chera rulers to resist Chola invasions to their state from 11th century. These warriors were known as the "chavers".

Modern suicide bombing as a political tool can be traced back to the assassination of Tsar Alexander II of Russia in 1881. Alexander fell victim to a Nihilist plot. While driving on one of the central streets of Saint Petersburg, near the Winter Palace, he was mortally wounded by the explosion of hand-made grenades and died a few hours afterwards. The Tsar was killed by a member of Narodnaya Volya, Ignacy Hryniewiecki, who died while intentionally exploding the bomb during the attack.

Between 1980 and 2000 the largest number of suicide attacks was carried out by separatist Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam of Sri Lanka. The number of attacks conducted by LTTE was almost double that of nine other major extremist organizations.[14]

[Signals.Cpl]

Why did they have to occupy the whole country if they were only after BL and Al Qaeda? They did have a large force in the country, just didn't use it properly. During my Googling I found comments by American commanders saying just that.

How many soldiers did the US have in Afghanistan from 12-17 December 2001?

[DogOnPorch]

Guess we're both wrong:

I didn't say the Japanese were first. During the Battle of Lepanto, for example, some of the Turks set fire to their own boats and rammed the Christian galleys knowing full well their actions would equal death. The Japanese, however, had the Bushido code as an actual facet of their military training. Tough cookies they were back then.

[bud]

targeting and killing civilians is nothing new in the middle east. we all know bombing attacks in the middle east originated with jewish terrorist groups:

The King David Hotel bombing was an attack carried out by the militant right-wing Zionist underground organization Irgun on the wing housing the British Miltary headquarters of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946. 91 people of various nationalities were killed and 46 were injured

then there are the numerous massacrescommitted by israeli/zionist forces in 1948 when the ethnic cleansing officially began. according to benny morris, 24 massacres against palestinians happened during the war.

Aryeh Yizthaki attests 10 major massacres with more than 50 victims each

Saleh Abdel Jawad has listed 68 villages where acts of indiscriminate killing of prisoners, and civilians, where no threat was posed to Israeli soldiers, took place

what boggles my mind is the mass ethnic cleansing of the indigenous palestinian population by persecuted jews, newly arrived from their own experience of being ethnically cleansed.

it's so fucked up. it's like directly shitting on the slogan: "never forget".

[Signals.Cpl]

targeting and killing civilians is nothing new in the middle east. we all know bombing attacks in the middle east originated with jewish terrorist groups:

The King David Hotel bombing was an attack carried out by the militant right-wing Zionist underground organization Irgun on the wing housing the British Miltary headquarters of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946. 91 people of various nationalities were killed and 46 were injured

then there are the numerous massacrescommitted by israeli/zionist forces in 1948 when the ethnic cleansing officially began. according to benny morris, 24 massacres against palestinians happened during the war.

Aryeh Yizthaki attests 10 major massacres with more than 50 victims each

Saleh Abdel Jawad has listed 68 villages where acts of indiscriminate killing of prisoners, and civilians, where no threat was posed to Israeli soldiers, took place

what boggles my mind is the mass ethnic cleansing of the indigenous palestinian population by persecuted jews, newly arrived from their own experience of being ethnically cleansed.

it's so fucked up. it's like directly shitting on the slogan: "never forget".

Is that so Herr Fuhrer?

[DogOnPorch]

Is that so Herr Fuhrer?

Yes, Mr bud is in a state of active denial re: the Grand Mufti's actions during and just after WW2. So the image of a brutal drooling Zionist devil menacing an innocent Arab child in 1948 is the one he likes to paint.

[Guest Peeves]

"what boggles my mind is the mass ethnic cleansing of the indigenous palestinian population by persecuted jews, newly arrived from their own experience of being ethnically cleansed."

Sorry your biased mind is boggled, but many here suspected it might be from your posts.

Your accusation (a blatant lie), of ethnic cleansing by Israel or,.... alternatively must of course refer to what's going on in many Islamic countries like Syria where Muslims are murdering Muslims. Or perhaps the many attacks on Christians in Islamic countries?

Or perhaps the murders and persecution of the Bahá'í Faith? Or the Darfur murder of citizens by Muslims.

The indigenous population of the region now Israel left when several Arab countries declined a state for Arabs in the former Jewish homeland and attacked Israel. Those that left have of course been used as pawns as have you and your ilk.

Continue with your hateful rhetoric, and when you slaver your bilious material your true face is like the Picture of Dorian Gray, exposed to all.

Edited May 25, 2012 by Peeves

[bud]

Is that so Herr Fuhrer?

ooh. looky.

i post facts; ie, jewish terrorist attack at king david hotel that killed over 90 people and the well-documented of ethnic cleansing of palestinians (24 documented massacres and over 500 demolished villages by israeli/jewish forces)

and what's the response? an automatic racism card.

you guys are all weak. not one attempt to try to respond to the documented evidence. get back to the bleachers until you're able to face and respond to the facts.

[Signals.Cpl]

ooh. looky.

i post facts; ie, jewish terrorist attack at king david hotel that killed over 90 people and the well-documented of ethnic cleansing of palestinians (24 documented massacres and over 500 demolished villages by israeli/jewish forces)

and what's the response? an automatic racism card.

you guys are all weak. not one attempt to try to respond to the documented evidence. get back to the bleachers until you're able to face and respond to the facts.

You have made your racism obvious all by yourself. With every post you make it obvious you were born a few decades too late, and you live in the wrong country on the wrong continent.

Grand Mufti Mohammad Amin Al-Husayni... Thats all I have to say. Maybe if you stopped worshiping the swastika and opened your eyes to both sides of the conflict you can have a real conversation. I see it as a waste of my time to argue back and forth with a racist who only posts anti-Semitic bullshit in every conversation wether related to the topic at hand or not. When you learn the facts, come back and we can talk until then take your irrational hatred somewhere else.

Edited May 25, 2012 by Signals.Cpl

[bud]

You have made your racism obvious all by yourself.

hot air again, mr. signals.cpl

you can keep repeating it, but without actually pointing out to racist comments and showing how it is racist, again, it's just hot air.

where do you fit in? check these out:

The Israeli-Jewish Collective Memory of the Israeli-Arab/Palestinian Conflict

8.What was the reasons for the departure of Palestinians refugees during the War of Independence?

1. The refugees left due to fear and calls of leaders to leave – 40.8%
   
2. The refugees left due to fear, calls of leaders and expulsion by the Jews – 39.2%
   
3. The refugees were expelled by the Jews – 8%
   
4. Do not know – 12%
   

moreon this:

In 2009, Nets and Daniel Bar-Tal, a faculty member at the School of Education at Tel Aviv University, published a representative public opinion survey they had conducted which found that 47 percent of Israeli Jews surveyed believed expulsion by Israel was among the factors leading to the exodus. Only 41 percent accepted the Zionist narrative. The survey was supported by a grant to Nets from the IPRA Foundation. Now, through the analysis of all the memoirs of 1948 war veterans, newspaper articles, publications of non-governmental organizations, and scholarly studies, Nets finds that the balanced narrative has in fact been widely endorsed by Israeli-Jewish societal institutions since the late 1970s (and especially since the late 1980s). In addition, since 2000, all history textbooks approved by Israel’s Ministry of Education have also included the balanced narrative.

Palestinians have long called for Israelis to acknowledge the expulsions of 1948. The recent findings indicate that such acknowledgement has taken place widely for several decades.

“Typically, societies involved in an intractable conflict like the Israeli-Arab/Palestinian conflict adopt a significantly biased, unrealistic and self-serving view of the history of the conflict,” says Nets. “The Zionist narrative of the 1948 exodus is such an example. That Israeli-Jewish society has largely adopted a less biased narrative suggests it has transformed to become more critical, open and self-reflective – a change all the more noteworthy because it has occurred in the midst of an ongoing conflict.”

i wonder what percentage of the world still believes that the world is flat.

Edited May 25, 2012 by bud

[DogOnPorch]

That a thread about a bombing in Yemen is suddenly about Israel says all one needs to know about bud.

[Jack Weber]

That a thread about a bombing in Yemen is suddenly about Israel says all one needs to know about bud.

Pretty meuch...

Anyone who stands up to Israel (The USA) = good....

All that stands up to thyose against = bad...

Nothing like two dimensional thought processes...

[socialist]

Pretty meuch...

Anyone who stands up to Israel (The USA) = good....

All that stands up to thyose against = bad...

Nothing like two dimensional thought processes...

you support isreal.

[DogOnPorch]

you support isreal.

You can't spell Israel.