Tilter Posted May 21, 2012 Author Report Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) Like yourself, I'm an atheist. The trouble with us atheists is that they burn atheists in certain realms. Edited May 21, 2012 by Tilter Quote
Tilter Posted May 21, 2012 Author Report Posted May 21, 2012 By the way, you who don't fear Islam, please write to this young lady, explaining why you think Muslims are not to be feared:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2147275/Aesha-Mohammadzai-Afghan-22-rebuilding-life-US-having-nose-hacked-off.html Nose hacked off, mutilated ears hidden by her dark hair, it was the magazine cover that horrified the world. But for Aesha Mohammadzai, the Afghan girl tortured by her husband for attempting to escape their abusive forced marriage, that extraordinary and harrowing Time magazine cover was just the start of the story. Four years on, she faces a new battle – a struggle to put the disturbing Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2147275/Aesha-Mohammadzai-Afghan-22-rebuilding-life-US-having-nose-hacked-off.html#ixzz1vWwZ67gJ Quote
bleeding heart Posted May 21, 2012 Report Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) By the way, you who don't fear Islam, please write to this young lady, explaining why you think Muslims are not to be feared:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2147275/Aesha-Mohammadzai-Afghan-22-rebuilding-life-US-having-nose-hacked-off.html Nose hacked off, mutilated ears hidden by her dark hair, it was the magazine cover that horrified the world. But for Aesha Mohammadzai, the Afghan girl tortured by her husband for attempting to escape their abusive forced marriage, that extraordinary and harrowing Time magazine cover was just the start of the story. Four years on, she faces a new battle – a struggle to put the disturbing Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2147275/Aesha-Mohammadzai-Afghan-22-rebuilding-life-US-having-nose-hacked-off.html#ixzz1vWwZ67gJ As soon as you write a letter to victims of Western terrorism, explaining that no harm was done, I will make a serious effort to do as you suggest. Except I would be sympathetic, whereas I suspect you can't even admit to the crimes themselves. At any rate, my entire point is that I am not worried about being taken over by radical Islamists...a point not even faintly present in your posts now. You seem to be changing your tune at will, each time someone disputes this or that notion. Edited May 21, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Guest Manny Posted May 21, 2012 Report Posted May 21, 2012 I can't think of any other explanation for his comment. Just couldn't stand to see you atheists wallowing in self pity at being persecuted by religious types. Perhaps, no group has a monopoly on killing others? Maybe, just maybe, it's not a problem specific to theism or atheism, but rather, extremism. But it takes brains to discern the difference. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 21, 2012 Report Posted May 21, 2012 At any rate, my entire point is that I am not worried about being taken over by radical Islamists...a point not even faintly present in your posts now. Nobody is. They are desperate, as they realize that their people are more interested in coming here than going back. Allowing immigration from that part of the world seems like another way to ultimately defeat the isolationists. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bleeding heart Posted May 21, 2012 Report Posted May 21, 2012 Just couldn't stand to see you atheists wallowing in self pity at being persecuted by religious types. Neither me nor DogonPorch is wallowing in self-pity about some persecution that, at least for us personally, is not occurring at all. How could we be? That doesn't even make sense. Our atheism is not a direct attack on you, so I can't imagine what you're thinking here. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bleeding heart Posted May 21, 2012 Report Posted May 21, 2012 Allowing immigration from that part of the world seems like another way to ultimately defeat the isolationists. Maybe so! Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Guest Manny Posted May 21, 2012 Report Posted May 21, 2012 Neither me nor DogonPorch is wallowing in self-pity about some persecution that, at least for us personally, is not occurring at all. How could we be? That doesn't even make sense. Our atheism is not a direct attack on you, so I can't imagine what you're thinking here. I'm not so sure about that. "If I believed in one of these blood gods that people admire so much, I might indeed consider the East/West conflict inevitable and eternal. But I don't...so I don't!" Not an attack on what other people believe, based completely on ones personal ignorance? Pardon me for standing up for the downtrodden. "Like yourself, I'm an atheist. The trouble with us atheists is that they burn atheists in certain realms." He's not afraid, not very afraid... "Oh, I know. It's one of the worst things you can be, and there's a long list of worse things." Funny how memory works sometimes? Quote
Guest Peeves Posted May 21, 2012 Report Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) It's not being "complacent sheep" simply because some of us don't shiver in an ecstasy of terror about the looming crescent shadow of the impending Caliphate. Exactly. Only Muslims need worry. Muslims are being murdered by Islam all over the Arab world. We have little to fear in the West. Other than the odd radical who gets caught, usually, it's the,Muslims that are moderate that are and should be in fear and afraid to speak out. Westerners speak out all the time. Sometimes it gets boring. Edited May 21, 2012 by Peeves Quote
Jack Weber Posted May 21, 2012 Report Posted May 21, 2012 Exactly. Only Muslims need worry. Muslims are being murdered by Islam all over the Arab world. We have little to fear in the West. Other than the odd radical who gets caught, usually, it's the,Muslims that are moderate that are and should be in fear and afraid to speak out. Westerners speak out all the time. Sometimes it gets boring. This has been my point for a long time.... Until the sane Muslims stand up and shut the radicals up,only the radicals will be the ones speaking for Islam... This used to be the way Christianity worked until Martin Luther stood up to The Vatican. Did it cause alot of bloody strife?? Absolutely... Did it,over time, allow for things to simmer down and allow people to agree to disagree without burning each other at the stake??? That's unequivocal... Until Islam goes through a Lutheresque "Reformation" only the rigid fundementalists will be the ones speaking for the entire faith... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Michael Hardner Posted May 21, 2012 Report Posted May 21, 2012 I think this is already happening. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
jbg Posted May 21, 2012 Report Posted May 21, 2012 Take it to the Islamic forum...this has nothing to do with Canadian politics. Really now? It will soon, apparently. Look at the solicitude shown for Omar Khadr (link). We all must be vigilant about a "religion" that metastizes spreads through violence. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest American Woman Posted May 21, 2012 Report Posted May 21, 2012 Like yourself, I'm an atheist. The trouble with us atheists is that they burn atheists in certain realms. All infidels "burn in certain realms;" it's not reserved for atheists. Furthermore, I doubt if they have any more of a problem with atheists than they do Jews and/or Christians et al. Quote
jbg Posted May 21, 2012 Report Posted May 21, 2012 All infidels "burn in certain realms;" it's not reserved for atheists. Furthermore, I doubt if they have any more of a problem with atheists than they do Jews and/or Christians et al. The point is that they seem to have "problems" with lots of different people. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
dre Posted May 21, 2012 Report Posted May 21, 2012 The point is that they seem to have "problems" with lots of different people. Religious folks are just like that. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest Manny Posted May 21, 2012 Report Posted May 21, 2012 This has been my point for a long time.... Until the sane Muslims stand up and shut the radicals up,only the radicals will be the ones speaking for Islam... Especially if we stop giving the radicals a platform to broadcast their message, and stop doing radical things ourselves, reacting to what terrorists provoke us to do, encouraging western extremists to hate all muslims, leading to further radicalization. In this we've done our part. This used to be the way Christianity worked until Martin Luther stood up to The Vatican. But thanks in large part to Luther, we had the Jewish holocaust. Link What are you gonna do? Quote
Guest Manny Posted May 21, 2012 Report Posted May 21, 2012 Religious folks are just like that. Not atheists like Stalin though... Quote
Jack Weber Posted May 21, 2012 Report Posted May 21, 2012 Especially if we stop giving the radicals a platform to broadcast their message, and stop doing radical things ourselves, reacting to what terrorists provoke us to do, encouraging western extremists to hate all muslims, leading to further radicalization. In this we've done our part. But thanks in large part to Luther, we had the Jewish holocaust. Link What are you gonna do? 1.I agree...Many people have bought into the notion that all Muslims are essdentially bloodthirsty lunatics and we all must go on a modern crusade to corral them from spreading.I don't agree with this because I simply cannot get my head arouns the possibility that over 1 bilion people are completely nuts! 2.If you're going to blame Martin Luther for The Holocaust,I would hope you give equal time to The Vatican and The Grand Inquisitor,Thomas De Torquemada,the Latin Mass etc... I assume,because of Luther's obvious anti-Semitism,you disagree with his "protestations" with The Vatican and The 5 Sola's? I can also assume you disagree with the positions of Jean Cauvin (John Calvin) and John Knox?? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Guest Manny Posted May 22, 2012 Report Posted May 22, 2012 I assume,because of Luther's obvious anti-Semitism,you disagree with his "protestations" with The Vatican and The 5 Sola's? No, but I think it shows Luther was also a "dark horse", in the sense that what he was talking about was heresy by the establishment. Perhaps that hints at something, a problem with Islam is th eleadership, the Imams, the Clerics, the Ayatollahs. For the people to follow a reformist they must follow someone whom the leaders would demonize. a big problem, takes a lot of courage to do that when your uneducated and poor. And that's where the west should come in. Education brings wisdom and eventually evolution. We've done the opposite, not only in Iraq and Afghanistan but over the past several decades, right back to the days of the Shah of Iran. Powerful western groups seek to keep the people downtrodden and destabilize the middle east. Now, let us reap that harvest. Quote
jbg Posted May 22, 2012 Report Posted May 22, 2012 Religious folks are just like that. I disagree with Christian fundamentalism in the U.S. I somehow don't think Governor Huckabee is likely to behead too many "infidels". Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest Manny Posted May 22, 2012 Report Posted May 22, 2012 I disagree with Christian fundamentalism in the U.S. I somehow don't think Governor Huckabee is likely to behead too many "infidels". What about Pat Robertson. Quote
Tilter Posted May 23, 2012 Author Report Posted May 23, 2012 Really now? It will soon, apparently. Look at the solicitude shown for Omar Khadr (link). We all must be vigilant about a "religion" that metastizes spreads through violence. I believe that you used the correct word "metastases" at first. I agree, it is exactly like a cancer Quote
Tilter Posted May 23, 2012 Author Report Posted May 23, 2012 Religious folks are just like that. I guess you could be correct-----------if it weren't for the fact that Islam is not a religion, it's a political force that uses a phony front to force their politics and brutality upon the uneducated & gullible, much like the Roman Catholic church has done in the past. What's amazing is the suffering that these same people endure thru life to avoid an imaginary difficulty after DEATH "The permanent end of all life functions in an organism or part of an organism ". How much clearer can that be--- Death is DEATH. Quote
Canuckistani Posted May 23, 2012 Report Posted May 23, 2012 I guess you could be correct-----------if it weren't for the fact that Islam is not a religion, it's a political force that uses a phony front to force their politics and brutality upon the uneducated & gullible, much like the Roman Catholic church has done in the past. What's amazing is the suffering that these same people endure thru life to avoid an imaginary difficulty after DEATH "The permanent end of all life functions in an organism or part of an organism ". How much clearer can that be--- Death is DEATH. What then is your definition of religion? Most organized religions have at one time or another been about power. With Christianity that happened as soon as the Roman Empire adopted Christianity. All of a sudden being a bishop meant having power and wealth - no more women allowed, lots of infighting to get that position. Protestantism was used in colonization. Etc. Quote
jbg Posted May 23, 2012 Report Posted May 23, 2012 I believe that you used the correct word "metastases" at first. I agree, it is exactly like a cancer "Metasteses" is a noun that describes the spread cancer. "Metasize" is a verb. I struck the word to display my true admiration for the tenets of Islam and the accomplishments of the Arab people. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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