mentalfloss Posted May 3, 2012 Author Report Posted May 3, 2012 Mulcair's pressing buttons to get attention. Quote
madmax Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 /2012/05/02/harper-demands-mulcair-apologize-for-suggestion-that-conrad-black-decision-was-racist/ In the quest for which party stands up the most for public servants, Harper scores on this one. I think Kenny and Harper are hiding behind public servant skirts. This is a government that has little hesitation over ruling and second guessing public servants. If Harper wanted to keep the convict out, he would certainly indicate his intention to do so as he has done in other instances. The Conservatives are happy to have Conrad Black back in Canada. Daddys coming home... Quote
Argus Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 Mulcair cannot be sued for the same reason that Kenney cannot,they made their comments in the house of commons.- As well why would Black sue Mulcair?Mulcair had only mentioned Black as in an example. Where as Kenney specifically called Freeman a cop killer,Freeman never killed a police officer. WWWTT As I said, he better watch his mouth, because I'm sure reporters were laying in wait to talk about this as soon as he emerged from the House. And if he says anything defamatory about Black outside the House he's going to be facing a lawsuit. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 Worth noting... Seth Lipsky, in an opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal that ran on June 28, 2011, called the verdict against Black "head-scratching," noting that Black was found not guilty of the most serious charges brought against him and "the jury convicted him of a count of obstruction, for obeying an eviction notice by Hollinger to remove from his former office in Toronto boxes of papers and personal effects that he hadn't been informed were under seal. Prosecutors claimed that, out of 13 boxes, a single document was relevant to the investigation. It was a copy of a non-compete agreement that Black had previously turned over to the investigators." Lipsky also raised the issue of why Black was denied a retrial by jury as to whether he had committed pecuniary fraud after the Supreme Court unanimously found that Judge St. Eve's instructions to the jury were "incorrect," which led to two of the three fraud counts ultimately being vacated. In the end, the fraud conviction was allowed to stand and the count of obstruction: "The fraud Black stood guilty of involved a gain to him of but $285,000. He has made restitution of $32 million. He has been forced to stand aside while his business empire was reduced to rubble and $250 million or so of his own equity destroyed. And he has incurred tens of millions of dollars in legal fees... even some of his critics are wondering why the prosecutors engaged in the conduct they di - Wiki Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Tilter Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 Gary Freeman is not a cop killer.He shot a police officer. Kenney called Freeman a cop killer. Dumb mistake for a minister,obviously he was going for the drama. WWWTT the only reason that he didn't kill the cop was just because he was a poor shot. INTENT__ Quote
WWWTT Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 As I said, he better watch his mouth, because I'm sure reporters were laying in wait to talk about this as soon as he emerged from the House. And if he says anything defamatory about Black outside the House he's going to be facing a lawsuit. Thanks for proving that people are biased! Kenney has said more than enough to face a lawsuit from Freeman.Freeman and/or Freemans lawyer has even suggested that legal action may come on Power and Politics. But somehow you completely ignore or unaware of this. Why do you continue to suggest that Mulcair is walking on eggshells. If anything Kenney and Harper are in a much more precarious position when it comes to facing a lawsuit! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Argus Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 Thanks for proving that people are biased! Kenney has said more than enough to face a lawsuit from Freeman.Freeman and/or Freemans lawyer has even suggested that legal action may come on Power and Politics. But somehow you completely ignore or unaware of this. Why do you continue to suggest that Mulcair is walking on eggshells. If anything Kenney and Harper are in a much more precarious position when it comes to facing a lawsuit! First, because as far as I'm concerned Freeman is vermin and I want no part of him anyway. And I doubt he'd get a lot of sympathy from a jury because some politician made a slip of the tongue. I can just see him at the trial, indignantly saying, "well, yeah, I tried to kill the cop, but in the end I only wounded him! Now my reputation is being hurt by what was said by a politician!" Second because Black has money and is extremely litigious. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
capricorn Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 I think Kenny and Harper are hiding behind public servant skirts. Hiding? No. They used public servants to hit the official opposition/Mulcair on the head. Just like the opposition does to the Conservatives whenever the opportunity presents itself. It's merely a game and not a new one either. The Conservatives are happy to have Conrad Black back in Canada. Daddys coming home... Why would you say that? The Conservative party came into existence in 2003 and Black's prosecution began in 2005. I doubt two years is enough time for the Conservatives and Black to build a relationship close enough that Black could be considered their "Daddy". Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
mentalfloss Posted May 3, 2012 Author Report Posted May 3, 2012 It's Mulcair's first screw up, so it's that much more poignant. He's going to have to control his emotions because the Cons are good at trolling. Quote
WWWTT Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 the only reason that he didn't kill the cop was just because he was a poor shot. INTENT__ How do you know that? How many black men get a fair trail in the US in 1969? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
dre Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 (edited) They crazy thing is that we actually pay these peoples salaries! We actually pay retards a lot of money, to call each other Nazis and Racists. Edited May 4, 2012 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
WWWTT Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 Second because Black has money and is extremely litigious. Thanks for pointing out the fact that people of wealth have more rights in Canada! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Guest American Woman Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 Ottawa approves Conrad Black’s request to live in Canada Thank you, Ottawa. Quote
g_bambino Posted May 4, 2012 Report Posted May 4, 2012 Thanks for pointing out the fact that people of wealth have more rights in Canada! What? Quote
Argus Posted May 4, 2012 Report Posted May 4, 2012 Thanks for pointing out the fact that people of wealth have more rights in Canada! WWWTT Here's another factoid. If you put your head in water, it will get wet. Also, you won't be able to breath very well. Any more shocking bits of info I can give you? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 4, 2012 Report Posted May 4, 2012 How do you know that? How many black men get a fair trail in the US in 1969? WWWTT What makes you think Black's trial was fair? It didn't seem very fair to me. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
guyser Posted May 4, 2012 Report Posted May 4, 2012 What makes you think Black's trial was fair? It didn't seem very fair to me. Aint that the truth. Convicted on the smallest charge,all the big ones he was acquitted. Seems that a $280,000 illegal profit (not really) has generated $30M in penalties. Most would say ....Huh? Quote
WWWTT Posted May 4, 2012 Report Posted May 4, 2012 Here's another factoid. If you put your head in water, it will get wet. Also, you won't be able to breath very well. Any more shocking bits of info I can give you? What does this have to Mulcairs and Kenneys comments? Was that not what we were talking about? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted May 5, 2012 Report Posted May 5, 2012 What makes you think Black's trial was fair? It didn't seem very fair to me. Sorry I do not know the details surrounding Blacks case. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Argus Posted May 5, 2012 Report Posted May 5, 2012 Sorry I do not know the details surrounding Blacks case. WWWTT post 54 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Topaz Posted May 5, 2012 Report Posted May 5, 2012 So is Canada saying to ALL immigrants that if you come here and the west is at war with your mother land and if you go back to fight against Canada/NATO you will not be welcome back, even if you are 15 years old? IF yes, are we telling them that? Quote
capricorn Posted May 5, 2012 Report Posted May 5, 2012 So is Canada saying to ALL immigrants that if you come here and the west is at war with your mother land and if you go back to fight against Canada/NATO you will not be welcome back, even if you are 15 years old? IF yes, are we telling them that? I hope so. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
August1991 Posted May 5, 2012 Report Posted May 5, 2012 (edited) Conrad Black was born in Montreal. True.Lord Black is not a citizen , Omar is. One needs special dispensation to get in, the other can walk thru the front door. True.---- Regardless of what our various citizenship laws or regulations state, Canadian citizenship policy has always been lenient to people who were once citizens and then lost it. And like it or not, we make a distinction between Canadian citizens born here and those who became citizens. (For example, Canadian-born citizens have no "citizenship certificate".) With that said, the cases of Conrad Black and Omar Khadr pose interesting questions. ----- FWIW, I reckon that "citizenship" will matter less in the future. It is "residence" and "jurisdiction" that will matter more. Are you subject to US tax law? Are you subject to Canadian criminal law? Where do you reside for tax reasons? In a civil suit or a divorce case, where are you resident? Under what law? We used to define the State and citizenship by geography. In the future, I suspect that we will define these terms otherwise. Mark Steyn, for example, was born in Toronto of a Belgian mother (IIRC); he worked in the UK for many years but now lives in America. I have no idea what passport he uses when he travels to Australia. Presumably he could use an EU Belgian passport. Where does he pay taxes? And if he slept with a prostitute in Sydney, would he be subject to Canada's criminal code? Edited May 5, 2012 by August1991 Quote
punked Posted May 5, 2012 Report Posted May 5, 2012 True. True. ---- Regardless of what our various citizenship laws or regulations state, Canadian citizenship policy has always been lenient to people who were once citizens and then lost it. And like it or not, we make a distinction between Canadian citizens born here and those who became citizens. (For example, Canadian-born citizens have no "citizenship certificate".) With that said, the cases of Conrad Black and Omar Khadr pose interesting questions. ----- FWIW, I reckon that "citizenship" will matter less in the future. It is "residence" and "jurisdiction" that will matter more. Are you subject to US tax law? Are you subject to Canadian criminal law? Where do you reside for tax reasons? In a civil suit or a divorce case, where are you resident? Under what law? We used to define the State and citizenship by geography. In the future, I suspect that we will define these terms otherwise. Mark Steyn, for example, was born in Toronto of a Belgian mother (IIRC); he worked in the UK for many years but now lives in America. I have no idea what passport he uses when he travels to Australia. Presumably he could use an EU Belgian passport. Where does he pay taxes? And if he slept with a prostitute in Sydney, would he be subject to Canada's criminal code? I am just going to jump in here and point out all US citizens are subject to US tax law no matter where they live in the world and must file a tax return every year or face consequences. I know I file mine. Quote
madmax Posted May 5, 2012 Report Posted May 5, 2012 Ottawa approves Conrad Black’s request to live in Canada Thank you, Ottawa. I believe you will be getting him back soon. IIRC there are a myriad of civil suits he will have to defend against.. I can't believe he got into Canada so quickly. I figured US would send Lord Black of Crossharbour to the UK. Then he should have applied to come to Canada... Seems the Harper Government can keep out some and welcome others... Quote
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