Good Luck with the Tolling Issue Toronto

[Boges]

http://www.thestar.com/news/cityhallpolitics/article/1167481--city-councillor-brainstorming-session-to-include-road-tolls

Charging non-Torontonians a toll to drive on the Don Valley Parkway and Gardiner Expressway is one of the ideas to be presented at a special Thursday brainstorming session of councillors.

Road tolls are “coming on the horizon,” said Councillor James Pasternak, one of the freshman members of council’s so-called “mighty middle,” whose votes can determine council priorities. “Non-residents would contribute to help support the city’s prosperity.”

Pasternak is one of seven or eight “middle” councillors expected to attend the Thursday gathering, in hopes of helping to set the city’s agenda over what remains of the current term.

“You’ve got a lot of creative energy from new councillors who really want to show progress over the next 2.5 years,” Pasternak said.

Mayor Rob Ford, who scrapped the $60 vehicle registration tax shortly after taking office, has vowed there won’t be any new taxes during his watch, which runs to Dec. 1, 2014.

His brother, Councillor Doug Ford, has been more receptive to seeking new ways to fund transit expansion.

Another revenue-generating idea would be to encourage well-heeled citizens to donate to city initiatives, Pasternak said. And the city could do more to entice corporations to sponsor city programs and purchase naming rights.

“We need to give philanthropists better opportunity to contribute,” Pasternak said. “There has to be an aggressive courting of philanthropists and corporate Toronto.”

Lots of questions about how this is going to work.

1) and 1a) Video or Toll Booth? Will installing Video Toll sensors cost more than it's worth?

2) What's going to stop someone to get off the highway and use Lakeshore or Yonge?

3) Why isn't Toronto raising property taxes to raise this money?

4) Will this be a congestion charge for Rush hour or a 24/7 thing so if people want to come in during the weekend they'd be dinged too?

5) You guys know this'll work both ways right? Nothing stopping Vaughan and Mississauga for dinging anyone trying to leave the city. Oh and the International Airport is in Mississauga.

6) How much will the toll be?

I don't go to Toronto much I just don't see how it's workable and I don't see how Toronto will make a lot of money from this.

Edited April 25, 2012 by Boges

[Jack Weber]

http://www.thestar.com/news/cityhallpolitics/article/1167481--city-councillor-brainstorming-session-to-include-road-tolls

Lots of questions about how this is going to work.

1) and 1a) Video or Toll Booth? Will installing Video Toll sensors cost more than it's worth?

2) What's going to stop someone to get off the highway and use Lakeshore or Yonge?

3) Why isn't Toronto raising property taxes to raise this money?

4) Will this be a congestion charge for Rush hour or a 24/7 thing so if people want to come in during the weekend they'd be dinged too?

5) You guys know this'll work both ways right? Nothing stopping Vaughan and Mississauga for dinging anyone trying to leave the city. Oh and the International Airport is in Mississauga.

6) How much will the toll be?

I don't go to Toronto much I just don't see how it's workable and I don't see how Toronto will make a lot of money from this.

Watch the crooks running the 407 jack up their rates because of this...

Edited April 25, 2012 by Jack Weber

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Watch the crooks running the 407 jack up their rates because of this...

Someone has to pay for the monitoring of toll roads that taxpayers paid for!! You pay and pay and pay and now a toll, and pay for the monitoring and pay for the higher tolls to pay for repair, and pay more taxes because the corporation needs a bailout from the government, because they are not making enough money on the road .... which is again.... taxpayer money ...

Does anyone understand how the general public is getting completely shafted here?

[Boges]

Does anyone understand how the general public is getting completely shafted here?

No one is being forced to use it.

It's a fantastic highway if you value your time over the money you spend on it.

[madmax]

Someone has to pay for the monitoring of toll roads that taxpayers paid for!! You pay and pay and pay and now a toll, and pay for the monitoring and pay for the higher tolls to pay for repair, and pay more taxes because the corporation needs a bailout from the government, because they are not making enough money on the road .... which is again.... taxpayer money ...

Does anyone understand how the general public is getting completely shafted here?

Yup , his name is Mike Harris.. he knows exactly how the public is getting shafted. Blow him a kiss.

He believed in toll roads.

I wonder which company is lobbying to run them... maybe its one of those parking meter companies in Vancouver , who seem to have TO wrapped up.. or maybe a Spanish company wants Toronto Toll Road monies...

User Fees is what you get with right wingers....

Enjoy... the Ford Era.

[madmax]

No one is being forced to use it.

It's a fantastic highway if you value your time over the money you spend on it.

We paid for that highway.....

Its a ripoff...

Only a fool sells a highway.

And he did.

[dre]

“Non-residents would contribute to help support the city’s prosperity.”

Non residents already DO contribute to the cities prosperity. Visitors to this country spend money into the local economy. They eat food, shop, stay in hotels etc.

Thank god most of the nations infrastructure was built before Generation Useless (thats us).

[Boges]

User Fees is what you get with right wingers....

Enjoy... the Ford Era.

Ford isn't the one advocating for toll roads in Toronto.

The better way to ding people coming into the city would be a parking surtax because everyone that comes into the city has to park for a period of time. But that also dings people that lives within the city, but if you live inside Toronto and still drive around, you can probably afford the hike.

Edited April 26, 2012 by Boges

[nittanylionstorm07]

Ford isn't the one advocating for toll roads in Toronto.

The better way to ding people coming into the city would be a parking surtax because everyone that comes into the city has to park for a period of time. But that also dings people that lives within the city, but if you live inside Toronto and still drive around, you can probably afford the hike.

Umm... he's not exactly helping with his hatred of light rail and "war on the car" rhetoric.

[Boges]

Umm... he's not exactly helping with his hatred of light rail and "war on the car" rhetoric.

That's what he campaigned and got elected on.

[WWWTT]

Yup , his name is Mike Harris.. he knows exactly how the public is getting shafted. Blow him a kiss.

He believed in toll roads.

I wonder which company is lobbying to run them... maybe its one of those parking meter companies in Vancouver , who seem to have TO wrapped up.. or maybe a Spanish company wants Toronto Toll Road monies...

User Fees is what you get with right wingers....

Actually Bob Rae's Ontario NDP government brought in the toll idea for the 407.(an absolutely brilliant idea too!)

Thanks do David Peterson and Bill Davis governments uncontrolled deficit and debts,the Ontario NDP had to be very creative in their solutions to solve Ontarios problems(thank God)

The toll was to be lifted after the debt incurred from constructing was paid off(roughly 25 yrs from opening date,but this was revised to 15 because of the tolls unexpected increased tally.

So if the 407 was not sold off it would now be free as any other 400 series freeway(thanks Harris/Eves)

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